Play along with Chesspain's JJ vs. two TAGs... - Page 2

S_Perry · #11 06-03-2005, 09:21 PM

How tight have you been, how tenacious are they postflop with overcards, how have they been adjusting for position with their opening & 3-betting. Your decision should incorporate all of these, and if you don't have confident answers, I'd rather fold.

chesspain · #12 06-03-2005, 09:37 PM

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How tight have you been, how tenacious are they postflop with overcards, how have they been adjusting for position with their opening & 3-betting. Your decision should incorporate all of these...

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You did see where I said:

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Both players had TAG stats after approx. thirty hands

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S_Perry · #13 06-03-2005, 09:43 PM

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How tight have you been, how tenacious are they postflop with overcards, how have they been adjusting for position with their opening & 3-betting. Your decision should incorporate all of these...

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You did see where I said:

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Both players had TAG stats after approx. thirty hands

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I did. That's at least 1 hour in a B&M. My reads are solid in that time.

EDIT: This is what sucks about this forum. I gave several dimensions to think about for your preflop decision and you said nothing about any of them because you only played 3 orbits. You don't even know how tight you've been?

thirddan · #14 06-03-2005, 09:47 PM

i don't see how you could have a solid read on any person, especially a tight player after witnessing only 30 dealt hands...in those hands a tight player may have played only 4-6 hands and probably didn't show most of them down...

chesspain · #15 06-03-2005, 09:53 PM

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How tight have you been, how tenacious are they postflop with overcards, how have they been adjusting for position with their opening & 3-betting. Your decision should incorporate all of these...

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You did see where I said:

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Both players had TAG stats after approx. thirty hands

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I did. That's at least 1 hour in a B&M. My reads are solid in that time.

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Wow...so assuming that an average TAG is 18/9 preflop, that means that you get "solid" post-flop reads for someone after they have played maybe six or seven hands, raised with three of them, and gone to showdown maybe once or twice?

Nick C · #16 06-03-2005, 10:21 PM

Given that we're playing along here, I'm guessing you at least called.

I prefer calling to capping. I probably would fold. This is because my recent experiences with JJ versus a lot of preflop action from tight players have not been good.

If the raises came from earlier positions, I would fold without much hesitation.

chesspain · #17 06-03-2005, 10:23 PM

Preflop: chesspain is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP2 raises, 1 fold, Button 3-bets, chesspain caps, 2 folds, Button calls.

Flop: (11 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
chesspain bets, Button raises, chesspain 3-bets...

Standard once it's heads-up? And what's my plan from this point?

chesspain · #18 06-03-2005, 10:32 PM

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I prefer calling to capping. I probably would fold. This is because my recent experiences with JJ versus a lot of preflop action from tight players have not been good.

If the raises came from earlier positions, I would fold without much hesitation.

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O.K....but once the action is folded to MP2 we have now been transported to a six-max table.

pokerstudAA · #19 06-03-2005, 10:34 PM

Folds - without thinking twice. Your options suck...you are out of position and nearly every flop is going to have overs. That is if no one has a big pair. I dont know what others said but I am tight in the blinds.

I cetainly would not cap it wanting to see if the initial raiser did.

Entity · #20 06-03-2005, 10:34 PM

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I prefer calling to capping. I probably would fold. This is because my recent experiences with JJ versus a lot of preflop action from tight players have not been good.

If the raises came from earlier positions, I would fold without much hesitation.

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O.K....but once the action is folded to MP2 we have now been transported to a six-max table.

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That's only if you can assume MP2 and Button are adjusting for the fact that hand values have descended (which they should, but not everyone does, especially in the retardedly nittish $3/6), and without reads, it's hard to know one way or another. It's one of the big reasons I'm more likely to cap if I have this OTB than in the SB as well.

Rob