what was i to do

Muck off · #1 05-23-2005, 02:21 AM

im playing a live 100 buyin nl hold em at local cardroom. blinds are 1-1-2. ive got most at table with about 500. i catch ak offsuit in big blind and raise to 12. 3 people call and the 4th sitting right next to me sez pot odds makes him call.
flop..3 3 A
udg checks, next guy bets 20, man to my right makes it 80, i jam the pot. he has about 300 back also.
other 2 fold and man to my right calls time. ponders for awhile asks if i have aces, the usual shat..finally he makes the call and turns over 3-6 off. turn n river produce nothing and my chips push over to him.
where did i go wrong here. 12 is a pretty standerd raise at this table that i was at for probably 3 hrs now. theres no way to put him on a 3 in a raised pot, should i have gotten away from the hand? insight would be appreciated.

bort411 · #2 05-23-2005, 02:45 AM

Behind a bet and a raise, you need to seriously consider that someone has a 3. Pushing here accomplishes nothing. You're either getting called by a better hand and drawing to two outs, or forcing a weaker ace to fold.

Also, the action is confusing. You say you're the big blind, but you also say that there is a check, a bet, and a raise before the action gets to you on the flop. Please clarify, as this is important.

Muck off · #3 05-23-2005, 02:56 AM

my mistake im button, i was last to act. the only thing i could put the guy on was a weaker ace, i would never imagine a 3 in a raised pot.

bort411 · #4 05-23-2005, 03:18 AM

If you put him on a weaker ace, why wouldn't you just call? He's only got 3 outs if your read is correct, giving him a terrible price on his draw. Pushing here dramatically decreases your chances of him calling with an inferior hand. Also, if it's clear to me that you will push with top pair top kicker on the flop, with $300 behind me, I'm calling you every time for $12 with any two cards.

Muck off · #5 05-23-2005, 03:42 AM

you make a good point...personally i thought i had him beat, id rather jam a pot and get him to fold to take it right there to avoid any chance of suck outs...

pk Wools · #6 05-23-2005, 03:51 AM

so basically your pushing all ur chips in because ur scared of getting 3 outered?

Sephus · #7 05-23-2005, 07:27 PM

Theory of Poker

sawseech · #8 05-23-2005, 04:24 AM

short answer

u fold

Malachii · #9 05-23-2005, 05:34 AM

As others have told you, this is a bad bad spot to put in a third raise. Best play is to call. I think it's a little too early to fold, I would like to see what develops on the turn first.