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05-21-2005, 03:33 AM
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Re: Veal
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[ QUOTE ] Wacki, I will hold off on what I would like to post simply because it's you. Think of this though, those animals would not exist if they were not for veal; It's not like they are ruining an otherwise enjoyable life for an animal. Furthermore, animals have neither reason nor self-awareness, thus we can infer that unless something is being done that is physically painful to them, this treatment is acceptable from even the most compassionate standpoints if taken at a purely scientifc level. [/ QUOTE ] wow buster how is this treatment not physically painful? not to mention, what if we had people farms and these people made organs that we used? is that okay because these people wouldn't have existed otherwise? [/ QUOTE ] See, this is the argument of animal activists, and I'm glad you said it. Bruiser, let me convey one very important thing to you: ANIMALS ARE NOT PEOPLE. So, let's talk apples to apples here. Do I think mink farms are ok if they are going to kill the animals and make them into coats? Yes. 
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05-21-2005, 03:34 AM
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Re: Veal
its gonna happen one way or another...IMO when we raised our own animals and killed them it was even more brutal and less efficent (although some ways in which they r raised now might be harsher)...but everything has a cost
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#13
05-21-2005, 03:41 AM
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Re: Veal
"ANIMALS ARE NOT PEOPLE."
so what? we could eat woman if they are tasty and justify it as "they are not men", or we could make black people slaves and justify it as "they are different, they are black". it's arbitrary distinction.
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05-21-2005, 03:44 AM
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Re: Veal
I have multiple qualms with Peter Singer, but I'm glad he has reached you this viscerally---he is a smart man, discount at your own risk.
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05-21-2005, 03:46 AM
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Re: Veal
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ANIMALS ARE NOT PEOPLE. [/ QUOTE ] Not necessarily. But people are animals.
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#17
05-21-2005, 03:47 AM
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Re: Veal
no, you are retarded. A person has:
self-awareness beliefs preferences ability to make decisions contrary to instinct inner monologue expectance of future trends An animal has none of these.
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05-21-2005, 03:48 AM
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Re: Veal
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Wacki, I will hold off on what I would like to post simply because it's you. [/ QUOTE ] No need to hold back. I can take criticism. Please notice I haven't stated my opinion on the matter yet. [ QUOTE ] Think of this though, those animals would not exist if they were not for veal; It's not like they are ruining an otherwise enjoyable life for an animal. [/ QUOTE ] This is the exact argument I use to defend myself against vegans when I eat a nice juicy steak. [ QUOTE ] Furthermore, animals have neither reason nor self-awareness, thus we can infer that unless something is being done that is physically painful to them, this treatment is acceptable from even the most compassionate standpoints if taken at a purely scientifc level. [/ QUOTE ] They may be dumb, but I assure you all mammals are smart enough to feel and remember pain.
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05-21-2005, 03:48 AM
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Just to play devils cognitive neuroscience-advocate, are these, [ QUOTE ]
self-awareness beliefs preferences ability to make decisions contrary to instinct inner monologue expectance of future trends [/ QUOTE ] Really separate things?
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05-21-2005, 03:49 AM
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I have multiple qualms with Peter Singer, but I'm glad he has reached you this viscerally---he is a smart man, discount at your own risk. [/ QUOTE ] what problems do you have with him
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