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Old 05-18-2005, 06:36 PM
chopchoi chopchoi is offline
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Default Re: How did I play these Queens?

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With no reads I'll raise this flop since the pot is getting big and call his 3-bet since we odds to draw to our 2 outs.

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There are 10.5 SB in the pot pf. after the bet, raise, 3 bet, there are 15.5 SB. The odds against hitting a set are 22:1. So, if you believe that you only have 2 outs, you would also have to believe that you can win another 6.5 SB from your opponent in order to have the implied odds to justify a call. I don't think you can count on that much action.
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Old 05-18-2005, 06:38 PM
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Default Re: How did I play these Queens?

Thats true. I guess it is a flop fold then.
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Old 05-18-2005, 06:39 PM
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I probably fold the flop to the 3 bet.

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Old 05-18-2005, 07:47 PM
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Default Re: How did I play these Queens?

Good point. I can't really think of one, so calling down would be incorrect, right?

I'm still learning and I don't expect my answers to always be correct, so I appreciate the response.
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Old 05-18-2005, 08:00 PM
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Default Re: How did I play these Queens?

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I probably fold the flop to the 3 bet.

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Booooo. 17.5:1. 2 Qs, backdoor straight draw.

The only way a cap was good here is if you are determined to show down, know it will slow down villian, and check behind on the river, saving yourself 0.5SB when you're behind. I think that's still a crappy play though.

Given that villian raised preflop, called a 3-bet and then bet into you I don't think you're in great shape. If anything I think your best play might be to call and re-evaluate on the turn. The pot is big, and it's already HU.

EDIT: I miscounted the odds, but I'm leaving it up there. It's actually 16.5:1 which makes it a lot closer, and probably a fold. The rest of the post is fine.
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Old 05-18-2005, 08:04 PM
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Default Re: How did I play these Queens?

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Booooo. 17.5:1. 2 Qs, backdoor straight draw.

The only way a cap was good here is if you are determined to show down, know it will slow down villian, and check behind on the river, saving yourself 0.5SB when you're behind. I think that's still a crappy play though.

Given that villian raised preflop, called a 3-bet and then bet into you I don't think you're in great shape. If anything I think your best play might be to call and re-evaluate on the turn. The pot is big, and it's already HU.

EDIT: I miscounted the odds, but I'm leaving it up there. It's actually 16.5:1 which makes it a lot closer, and probably a fold. The rest of the post is fine.


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No, calling's not awful, just as long as we know that calling down with our current hand is not an option.
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Old 05-18-2005, 08:12 PM
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Default Re: How did I play these Queens?

I've gotta agree with that.
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Old 05-19-2005, 03:04 AM
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Default Re: How did I play these Queens?

grunching...

preflop pretty standard

flop - his 3-bet makes me start worrying about the K... I'd probably just call that instead of capping

turn - his check is interesting - did you just scare his AK/KQ/KJ/Kx and have him worried that you may have hit a set or two pair? i'd say probably... of course he may have just had something like jacks... regardless, his 3-bet on the flop makes me believe he hit the K, so I take the free card

River - since he called the turn bet and I'm already worried he hit the K, i just take the free showdown
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Old 05-19-2005, 03:09 AM
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Default Re: How did I play these Queens?

Call his 3 bet and fold the turn UI. I think he used a nice line. Everyone raises with QQ/JJ in that position giving him a perfect spot to 3 bet you with AK.
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Old 05-19-2005, 11:18 AM
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Thanks guys, I'm starting to learn something here [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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