Couple silly things I noticed about Star wars. - Page 2

Daliman · #11 05-17-2005, 03:48 PM

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Darth torturing his own daughter,(yeah, Dark side and all, but doesn't he show mercy later on in the series toward Luke?).

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wasn't leia hidden from vader by obi-wan? aren't you a star wars nerd? shouldn't you know this?

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Actually, I'm nowhere NEAR a Star wars nerd. I haven't seen 2 or 3 in at least 20 years each, and have seen none of the new ones.

Not sure what you mean by Leia bieng hidden tho. In first star wars, Leia and Obi-wan never even see each other, but mebbe that was somehting that happened b4.

Daliman · #12 05-17-2005, 03:49 PM

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Also, what has George Lucas ever said publicly regarding his initial thoughts of this series. Did he only plan on making the first one, but had always hoped he could go further with it?

This is somewhat controversial, as Lucas claims to have written it all up, but it doesn't seem to be true. One of the original producers said him and Lucas wrote up Empire and ROTJ after the first one did so well, but of course was blackballed after making the claim. Lots of people don't realize that Star Wars wasn't released as "Episode 4" when it first came out, it was just "Star Wars".

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This sounds exactly like what I was thinking. He had a bit of an idea about it, but that was all.

daryn · #13 05-17-2005, 03:54 PM

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Darth torturing his own daughter,(yeah, Dark side and all, but doesn't he show mercy later on in the series toward Luke?).

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wasn't leia hidden from vader by obi-wan? aren't you a star wars nerd? shouldn't you know this?

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Actually, I'm nowhere NEAR a Star wars nerd. I haven't seen 2 or 3 in at least 20 years each, and have seen none of the new ones.

Not sure what you mean by Leia bieng hidden tho. In first star wars, Leia and Obi-wan never even see each other, but mebbe that was somehting that happened b4.

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oh must have been someone else i was thinking of.. that scored perfect in star wars triv. pursuit. maybe whiskeytown.

anyway, i'm no star wars nerd either, just a guy w/ good memory, and i seem to remember the phrase "obi-wan was right to hide her from me" being said to luke by vader in return of the jedi

samjjones · #14 05-17-2005, 04:00 PM

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I recently bought the first three,(second three?) movies on DVD, and there's a couple of things I noticed that are pretty incongruous from the first Star wars;

- Early on, Obi-Wan mentions that the shots fired against the Jawa trading vehicle are too accurate, yet Luke and Company get fired at hendreds of times, often from under 30 feet, and are never even scratched.

- Why the hell are 6 or so Stormtroopers running from Han solo when he runs after themwhen they are armed and looking for him?

-How is Luke pulled under by the garbage monster when it is pretty apparent the water(?) in the disposal is less than 2 feet deep?

-The new footage placed in with Jabba was obviously scrapped because of animatronic limitations of the day, but it pretty obvious the scene with Greedo was a replacement, not an ncillary scene to it, as almost the eact same lines of dialogue are used by Solo in each.

- How much more obviously gay can C3PO be?

- How does R2D2, a robot on rollers, get around rough terrain so well?

Also, what has George Lucas ever said publicly regarding his initial thoughts of this series. Did he only plan on making the first one, but had always hoped he could go further with it? Was It always in the cards that Darth was Luke AND Leia's father,( I would guess not both) because if so, there's a few scenes that are pretty off then;

-Leia appearing as a love interest for Luke, albeit weakly.
-Darth torturing his own daughter,(yeah, Dark side and all, but doesn't he show mercy later on in the series toward Luke?).

Either way, still a great movie. Planning on wathing the other 4 this week, mainly since I hear #6 is the best of all of them. Hopefully there are no more annoying characters like those jawas, though.....

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I am what most people would consider a SW mega-geek, so will try to answer these.

- its a lot easier to hit a 3 story high Sandcrawler than it is people running away from you and shooting at you

- they were ambushed, and retreated to the safety of greater numbers

- i'm sure you can imagine the creature pulling him down so that he was on his back. kids drown in kiddie pools all the time, so this isn't a stretch

- this scene was wisely left out of the original, and senselessly restored for the Special Edition. You are right, there is no reason for it, other than to show that ILM could de-age Jabba a bit, and to give Boba Fett a cameo. The Greedo shot first thing also cut Han's balls off, but we'll leave that for another day.

- c'mon, he's just an effeminate English butler kind of character. i don't think he wants to have droid sex with R2-D2, do you?

- he's able to navigate rough terrain because the camera conveniently moves away from him whenever he reaches rocks, steps, etc.

- lots of conflicting stories on this. When writing the script for Star Wars, he developed a short backstory (like 2 or 3 pages) and character arcs for all of the characters. So I think he had the idea of the Original Trilogy in mind, if not the actual plot points. Similarly, I think he had a pretty good idea of the "general" plot points of the Prequel Trilogy back around 1976 or so. And by "general", I mean that Obi-Wan trained Vader, Vader was a former Jedi who turned bad, etc. The "Luke and Leia are siblings" thing didn't come until after Star Wars was released. And 95% of the Prequel Trilogy plot was probably thought out in the mid-90's, although characters like Count Dooku and General Grevious were simply plot devices given life at the last minute.

jedi · #15 05-17-2005, 04:04 PM

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- Early on, Obi-Wan mentions that the shots fired against the Jawa trading vehicle are too accurate, yet Luke and Company get fired at hendreds of times, often from under 30 feet, and are never even scratched.

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Obi-Wan is probably referring to where the sandcrawler was NOT hit. The sandcrawler is huge, but the stormtroopers hit the right spots to disable it. Sand People tend to just go wild on everything.

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-The new footage placed in with Jabba was obviously scrapped because of animatronic limitations of the day, but it pretty obvious the scene with Greedo was a replacement, not an ncillary scene to it, as almost the eact same lines of dialogue are used by Solo in each.

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Jabba refers to Han blasting Greedo, so it's clear that Greedo WAS an ancillary scene, not a replacement.

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Also, what has George Lucas ever said publicly regarding his initial thoughts of this series. Did he only plan on making the first one, but had always hoped he could go further with it?

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As others pointed out, Lucas had a big story, realized it was too big and then decided to start in the middle where the action was. The films would never have gotten off the ground if it started with Phantom Menace. He arranged for the merchandising rights just so he could make more movies. He didn't realize that it would become the giant it is today.

pshreck · #16 05-17-2005, 04:08 PM

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The films would never have gotten off the ground if it started with Phantom Menace.

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You are definetly wrong if you think he had written any part of the Phantom Menace before the first 3 were written.

deacsoft · #17 05-17-2005, 04:13 PM

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oh must have been someone else i was thinking of.. that scored perfect in star wars triv. pursuit. maybe whiskeytown.

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I wouldn't consider myself a nerd, just a fan. However, I have never been defeated in Star Wars Trivial Pursuit. When it comes to Star Wars and trivia I'm simply all-powerful and all-knowing. And that's without using the force. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Mansavage · #18 05-17-2005, 04:37 PM

The "Obi-Wan hid Leia from Vader" mystery is cleared up at the end of Episode III. I read the book and it really does tie everything together very well.

hogua · #19 05-17-2005, 04:45 PM

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How does R2D2, a robot on rollers, get around rough terrain so well?

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In the new movie, R2D2 solves this by being able to fly. Maybe as he got older (i.e. the first three movie made, he lost that ability or it just wasn't shown)

in the new movie, R2D2 also has the ability to spray foes with oil and them light them on fire. Guess he lost this ability as he got old too. Otherwise, he would have fried the monster that tried to eat him on Yoda's planet in Empire Strikes Back.

hogua · #20 05-17-2005, 04:55 PM

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Darth torturing his own daughter,(yeah, Dark side and all, but doesn't he show mercy later on in the series toward Luke?).

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wasn't leia hidden from vader by obi-wan? aren't you a star wars nerd? shouldn't you know this?

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Luke was hidden by Obi-Wan. Leia was hidden by Jimmy Smit's character.