When you get a piece, but not much

[thesharpie]

You've got top freaking pair!! Be aggressive!1

[Aaron W.]

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Reads really help in these sorts of situations. I don't expect a raise from villain 75% of the time, assuming he's loose passive, he'll call with AK-AJ and KQ, and maybe raise with QJs. A villain at this level who will raise with overcards usually stands out, so I'd expect the OP to note it. Players are just too honest at this level, so I like a nice simple line.

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Considering that it was a BB raise, if he's a loose passive, he's probably got a monster preflop hand (AA-QQ (24 hands) and AK-AQ (32 hands), but overcards are raised somewhere around half the time by "loose passive" players). If he's a little more aggressive, then he's more likely to raise with his overcards. These are just estimates and I could be over-estimating a little.

When you have no read, you need to allow more flexibility in the range of hands villain has, and flexibility in the range of ways he can play it. By drawing a hard line (ie "Generic villain will not bet overcards"), you tend to get yourself into more trouble. I'm not saying that you can't make assumptions, but you need to start off being flexible and slowly move towards rigidity as you learn more about your opponents.

There was a good article in the magazine last month about this sort of thing.

[bozlax]

My new, tighter-preflop self says don't play this. That said...

Anybody else C/R'ing the flop? You've got a pretty good chance that somebody will bet for you, you've got top pair and backdoor straight and flush possibilities, and if the PFR bets, you raise, and he 3-bets you can be pretty certain that he's holding a high PP. If he and everyone else just call down I think your TP is good, and you're up against a lot of people playing overcards/draws.

Then the turn and river would be very different.

[Aaron W.]

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My new, tighter-preflop self says don't play this. That said...

Anybody else C/R'ing the flop? You've got a pretty good chance that somebody will bet for you, you've got top pair and backdoor straight and flush possibilities, and if the PFR bets, you raise, and he 3-bets you can be pretty certain that he's holding a high PP. If he and everyone else just call down I think your TP is good, and you're up against a lot of people playing overcards/draws.

Then the turn and river would be very different.

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A check-raise is bad because the person betting the flop is in the wrong spot. BB's PFR probably means that he'll bet the flop. You're bloating the pot (as opposed to protecting it) and PFR may not give reliable information. You hand is also quite vulnerable and I would rather see a safe turn card before getting myself too involved since it's going to be multi-way (position sucks, and your hand isn't spectacular).

[RockPile]

grunch

I fold this preflop

[Rev. Good Will]

getting 1:9?

[Entity]

Bet the flop.

[Rev. Good Will]

I don't think your draws are strong enough to try to sneak in extra bets.