Cheating is somewhere here at 30/60 or i'm just paranoid?

[rigoletto]

C'mon people. Both hands looks like perfectly legit overagressive partypoker hands. The only suspect thing here is that Peter folds AA for 1 bet on a non threatening turn card.

[stigmata]

Easy mistake to make.....

Results in white below:
BB has Ad 4d (two pair, sevens and fives).
MP1 has Ah Kd (two pair, sevens and fives).
Outcome: MP1 wins 8.37 BB. BB wins 8.37 BB.


Results in white below:
MP2 has Ah 4d (one pair, fours).
MP3 has Th Qc (one pair, tens).
Outcome: MP3 wins 14.75 BB.

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[Turning Stone Pro]

With regard to hand #2, this is certainly not collusion, IMO, unless you have previous reason to suspect the two players involved on previous incidents. The fellow capping with the Ah is common, if not more-likely-than-not PP practice. The other fellow has an open end straight draw with a semi-decent flush draw as well, with the 10h.

While everyone knows how weak I play, if I had the Ah in this situation I might play it the exact same way.

Hand #1, I don't know, but I would have to say that I would err on the side of the quote the other poster mentioned "extreme donkishness", or something like that, again unless prior performance indicated a potential problem between these two. One or both could have put you on a big pair, and are trying desperately to represent the boat.

If I knew the usernames of the folks involved, I would be able to tell you immediately whether I would suspect collusion of just another case of simple, straightforward ignorance and total disregard for money.

TSP

[imashyboi]

haha, damn thats a good one...thought i had it figured out. I guess playing 30/60 you have to be wreckless when holding top hands such as AA and KK since lots of flops will be contested and they'll make you think someone already hit the monster.

[J_V]

It's not your job to prove collusion. Players don't have the tools to do so.

[SoBeDude]

No cheating. I was able to guess the aggressor's hand in both cases.

In hand one, once the board double-pairs, its common for people to raise with the ace, thinking they're at worst a chop, and maybe they can push someone off a better hand because the board looks scary.

In the second one, tons and tons of ppl online will cap with the nut flush draw there and jam every street. I'd have bet any non-heart turn and if I get raised, call down.

You have to learn to spot this style of player. Take notes and remember that they raise like this. Know this can be super-profitable and you can keep raising with your solid-but-not-nut holdings against them.

-Scott

[flair1239]

I don't see how either of these hands would hint towards cheating.

[imashyboi]

After knowing the winning hands, we can argue that folding the AA on Hand 1 could be a mistake. Hand 2 however is a good fold. Your only about 2.5-1 favorite there and if a heart drops on the river you'll be force to fold anyways.

[flub]

Doesn't look like collusion to me. Pumping draws is supposed to get weak made hands to fold. When you get 2 people pumping draws even more so, and all these showdown hands look legit. Also note the guy with the flush draw in the 2nd hand also flopped a pair with it.

Moreover that's not how cheating is done. Read the articles on www.pokermafia.com to see how colluders operate and notice that it would be nearly impossible to detect since the main strategy is to NOT play in the same hands as their partners.

-f

[Turning Stone Pro]

"Hand 2 however is a good fold. Your only about 2.5-1 favorite there and if a heart drops on the river you'll be force to fold anyways."

ummm, no sir.

TSP