Interesting 2-4 Hand

[Slappz]

I think theres a good enough chance that he has AK that you have to call this bet. There wasn't much action on any street so he might think he's way ahead with just two pair. If hes got AA, then remember how he played it for next time.

[Effie]

If you're mucking this hand, there's an open invitation for you to sit at my home game. Call, if you lose, that's life.

[Matt Flynn]

head down calling there is not far off optimal if opponent will bet a range of hands. however:

1. there are a lot of players who don't have it in them to push on a bluff.
2. there are a lot of players who would never go in there with two pair.
3. i would take my time deciding if he's got it. nothing says you have to call.

matt

[aggie]

Matt, since i respect you more than just about any other poster here, i've gotta poke fun at this:

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3. i would take my time deciding if he's got it. nothing says you have to call.

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Doesn't this one seems a little obvious?...I don't think OP would have posted this hand if he felt like he "had to call"....

[Shaman]

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i would take my time deciding if he's got it. nothing says you have to call.

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I called in a heartbeat. He showed pocket Aces.

Even if I had taken the priviledge to take time calling (instead of doing it in a heartbeat), I probably would have called anyway. But if there was something in my play worth improving it would be that I should have taken the time deciding if he indeed had it. I was, afterall, last to act during the last betting round.

[psuasskicker]

Muck, he has AA.

Holy weak-tight Batman! Seriously, you think AA plays it this way? Dramatically underbets the pot, then checks behind a cold call on the turn?

If someone has AA and outplays me this way, he's getting paid off. No way am I mucking this hand...it's an insta-call unless I've got an unbelievable read. I mean he's gotta be shaking like a leaf here.

I called in a heartbeat. He showed pocket Aces.

He's unbelievably lucky to get paid off with that hand, and frankly IMO pretty stupid to have played it that way. First off, he'll never get action again after that move. Secondly, the ONLY way he gets paid there is if you have a monster hand with him. There's 99, and that's about it, cause what are you raising with that has a five in it unless you're mixing it up? Every hand other than 99 that you'd raise with he'd either force you to lay down, or get beat if you happened to pop it with 55.

99.9% of the time he wins $78 with his second nut Aces full. I'm happy to pay him off the rest of the time. He did an excellent job minimizing his win potential with this hand...he just got lucky that you were in with a huge one as well.

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[neon]

Seems like just about every time I see a min-reraise preflop these days, it's AA.

I agree w/ PSU that villain played the hand terribly, in that he only gets paid off by 99, A9 or A5 (neither of which are in there in the first place), and maaaaybe AK, and also b/c he really narrowed down his hand range w/ the combination of the min-reraise preflop and the river push, imo. What does a tight player play this way? After the min-reraise preflop, I personally give him AA or KK, but I suppose you could throw in QQ and maybe JJ and probably AK. After hero calls villain's flop bet and leads the river, villain has to know that hero has at least an ace here, so I highly doubt he's bluffing w/ KK or less, unless he's a rather peculiar breed of tight player. I really doubt he would push w/ AK, either, although I'd be willing to give him credit for that before a whiffed big pair.

So basically, I give villain either AA or maybe AK here. Not saying that this isn't a really tough fold here, or that in the heat of battle, I wouldn't have looked him up, too, as I probably would have. But from the safety of my office chair, I can't see any other hand that a tight villain plays this way aside from rockets.

[flawless_victory]

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Tight opponent

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Muck, he has AA.
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[/ QUOTE ]this river fold would not even be that tough for me... kinda funny how the guy could be play his hand so incredibly bad that ppl could prob lay down second full correctly...

[radioheadfan]

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2-4 blinds. I raise to 24 from 3 off the BB with 99. Tight opponent raises to 48 from mid-position. Button calls. I call.

Flop comes A95 offsuit. I check. Pre-flop reraiser bets 30. Button folds. I call.

Turn is a 5, giving me a fullhouse. I check. Pre-flop reraiser checks.

River is blank. I bet 80 and have 460 left. Pre-flop reraiser puts me all-in. He has me slightly covered.

What should I do?

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So many fish I play with would have taken this identical line. He minreraises to keep everyone in ("I have AA, yeaeah!"), cuz that's what fish do. I see it all the time. He throws that little weak bet in on the flop to make you believe he doesn't have that great a hand. He checks the turn cuz's he's got a lock hand (he doesn't fear getting sucked out on now). On the river he pushes after your $80 bet cuz he's got aces full (and expects to get paid off by your 5 or A or whatever - fish don't think about what will pay them off)

Yeah it's a bad line, and yeah it's hard fold nines full here, but this line reeks of pocket aces man...from the minreraise preflop to the small flop bet to the turn check to the river push. No other hand really makes sense.

AK bets bigger on the flop. AK bets the turn. AK doesn't push the river after getting led into on the river with a pair on the board.

Tough fold but a makeable one in my opinion.

[neon]

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Tight opponent

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Muck, he has AA.
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[/ QUOTE ]this river fold would not even be that tough for me... kinda funny how the guy could be play his hand so incredibly bad that ppl could prob lay down second full correctly...

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Okay, so I was trying to be nice in my post. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

I'm still not sure I would make this laydown in the heat of the moment, as I have a tendency to look people up too often sometimes - even if I'm pretty sure I'm beat - if the way a villain played a hand just doesn't feel right to me.

That said, given the fact that villain is a tight player, I think this is aces full almost every time.

The funny thing is, this hand would be much more interesting if we were playing against a creative LAG (I suppose that would almost always be the case, however), because this is the exact line that most bad, tight players will take every time. Preflop, min-reraise; flop top set, bet small not wanting to scare anyone away; turn aces full, check behind; raise all in on the river. This is a line that I've seen more than one tricky, aggro player take w/ KK, QQ, and 42o on a board like this and this action.