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Old 05-11-2005, 09:47 AM
BZ_Zorro BZ_Zorro is offline
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Default Re: Too aggressive with no hand and no draw?

Thank you, I did indeed. Doh.

Looking at it again, I don't think it's terrible.

Trouble is it's dangerous as hell without knowing at least something about your opponent, and even more dangerous given the way you've been playing.

I can see villain having a think about this one and flat calling with quite a few hands. The turn pot will be huge, so unless you catch a miracle, I don't think he's folding unless you're prepared to pot it or push with nothing. Not my cup of tea, though it'd probably be a fun play to make with someone else's money.
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Old 05-11-2005, 09:52 AM
Always Rockets Always Rockets is offline
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Default Re: Too aggressive with no hand and no draw?

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If a guy who's raising a lot of pots and never showing a hand openraises from the CO, the range of hands the BB should reraise with is much, much wider than this.

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The problem is that if the BB has only been around for one orbit, he can't have a good enough reaad on your to start making plays back at you with marginal hands, IMO
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Old 05-11-2005, 09:54 AM
Ghazban Ghazban is offline
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Default Re: Too aggressive with no hand and no draw?

Fair enough, but I'd done it three times since he sat down (never showing the hand). He may not have me pegged as a maniac but I'm sure he doesn't think I'm overly tight.
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Old 05-11-2005, 10:11 AM
fuzzbox fuzzbox is offline
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Default Re: Too aggressive with no hand and no draw?

I would not fancy this situation too much. A Reraise is often a big pair (especially in the blinds), and big pairs dont like shutting down on J-high rainbow flops.
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Old 05-11-2005, 12:05 PM
RiverDood RiverDood is offline
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Default Re: Too aggressive with no hand and no draw?

It depends on the player.

As long as the blinds are low (which they are here, relative to the action and people's stakes) I'm usually in no hurry to play sheriff against a very aggressive/maniac player until I've got an overwhelming hand. Why go into a huge battle as no better than a 60/40 favorite when there may well be a chance to pick the same fight before long as an almost-certain 80/20 favorite?

What's more, someone who will be acting after you (the button) can take risks that a prudent BB shouldn't. From the button, a reraise with KQ, 88 or A9 is conceivable. If you then check the flop, they know what to do. And if you bet it, their path may be clear, too.

In the BB, playing first with a borderline hand like KQ, 88 or A9 after the flop is going to be a nail-biter. There's no great reason to raise pre-flop with those hands -- and then run the risk of playing out of position with middling cards for a very costly pot. I think you're being too optimistic that the BB will turn into a junior maniac, pre-flop, after watching you take down three pots in one orbit.

Still, I'll be interested to see what the results are.
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Old 05-11-2005, 12:10 PM
Ghazban Ghazban is offline
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BB minreraised me and I paused for a long time and then folded. I expect he had KK or QQ and didn't want to see an overcard come on the turn. I don't think a set of jacks or a pair of aces 3bets there as they're clearly in a way ahead/way behind situation.

If my hand was QQ instead of AQ, I think I would've folded as well-- is that weak?
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Old 05-11-2005, 01:07 PM
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No you're ahead of very few hands that RR before the flop unless you have a good read on BB.
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Old 05-11-2005, 01:20 PM
Aytumious Aytumious is offline
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Default Re: Too aggressive with no hand and no draw?

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All right, people don't like this, that's fine. I'm not sure I like it, either. However, the detailed responses all seem to put BB squarely on AA-QQ/AK. This I do not agree with. If a guy who's raising a lot of pots and never showing a hand openraises from the CO, the range of hands the BB should reraise with is much, much wider than this.

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That's true, but since you have no reads, you really can't assume that this is what he is doing. You'll spew chips if you think your opponents at these levels are actually thinking about the game the way you just described. The reraise here is usually a very strong hand.
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