1st Hand Post - All comments welcome - Page 2

tbigz · #11 05-09-2005, 09:26 PM

First off, I probably would've capped the flop here because you have top 2, and are in position. We also will have the best hand here more than our share of the time.
Then if we get bet into again on the turn we should just call down (having no reads), only expecting to take down the pot against a very LAG player overplaying KQ or something.
Now, on the turn I think the cap was too strong, because BB has shown so much strength, the only time he didn't raise was preflop when he called 2 cold. Either BB flopped a set or he is just nuts and you can take advantage in future hands.
As far a SB goes, the only hand he could logically 3 bet here and then call flop and turn facing 2 bets at a time (then raise the river) would be AQ of hearts (possibly ATh), where he has 12 outs to the nuts if the board doesn't pair.

However, it still might be profitable to call the river here, because you're getting almost 30:1 and sometimes your opponents aren't thinking very clear. But, your hand is almost never good here.

Hope this helps

Ianco15 · #12 05-09-2005, 09:27 PM

Looks okay except you got a little out of line on the turn. I would have just called the 3-bet from an unknown on the turn. River was shitty but you're not folding with that giant pot.

matt42s · #13 05-10-2005, 01:50 AM

what am I missing? it's party, you converted the hand history - BB called the river so you know his cards even if he didn't show. Is there some reason I'm not aware of for not saying?

pokerrookie · #14 05-10-2005, 02:13 AM

I think I go into call down mode on the turn. Did you notice that SB keeps calling all the raises...never puts in his own. And he 3-bet preflop. In my experience, many players will only 3-bet with a made hand, so I think you are looking at AA and KK. If he is a thinking player, he would raise the flop himself with AA. I think he has KK and is allowing you and BB to push the action. Your two pair is strong, but I think beaten by a couple of sets. Call the turn, hope SB doesnt raise it. Call the river, also hope it isnt raised. If it is, perhaps you have to make a good laydown here. This is way too much action for TPTK and two pair should be beaten by this action.

TheWorstPlayer · #15 05-10-2005, 03:26 AM

Does no one ever cap this preflop? 5 ways I think it could easily be +EV. Opponents fold way too often in huge pots, in big pots you want to do everything you can to win, not try to save bets. Capping will certainly help you win occasionally and only costs you 1SB when you lose. In addition, you will win this plenty of times and end up making money on the additional preflop money so at most it costs you a fraction of a bet to cap, it increases your chances of winning without a showdown (even though that is a remote event it certainly happens occasionally even in huge pots), and it takes advantage of your opponents mistake of folding too easily and playing too passively in massive pots. What do you guys say?

cain06 · #16 05-10-2005, 08:35 AM

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what am I missing? it's party, you converted the hand history - BB called the river so you know his cards even if he didn't show. Is there some reason I'm not aware of for not saying?

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I just started playing on Party, How do I find out someone's cards if they didn't show? I just copied and pasted the hand history from the window that pops up when you click the hyperlink for "Last Game xxxxxxxx" into Bison's converter.

@bsolute_luck · #17 05-10-2005, 09:12 AM

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Does no one ever cap this preflop? 5 ways I think it could easily be +EV. Opponents fold way too often in huge pots, in big pots you want to do everything you can to win, not try to save bets. Capping will certainly help you win occasionally and only costs you 1SB when you lose. In addition, you will win this plenty of times and end up making money on the additional preflop money so at most it costs you a fraction of a bet to cap, it increases your chances of winning without a showdown (even though that is a remote event it certainly happens occasionally even in huge pots), and it takes advantage of your opponents mistake of folding too easily and playing too passively in massive pots. What do you guys say?

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bolded section: interesting idea. i don't because a 3-bet from SB with limpers in UTG isn't some crappy holding (barring reads). i'd rather wait to see what the flop brings and i have great position to raise then.

 Blue section: really? people fold more in big pots? that's not my experience. people seem to stick around longer in big pots (which isn't a bad thing either if we get our flush).

UncleSalty · #18 05-10-2005, 09:22 AM

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I just started playing on Party, How do I find out someone's cards if they didn't show?

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Click the hand # at the top right of the screen.

cain06 · #19 05-10-2005, 09:29 AM

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Does no one ever cap this preflop? 5 ways I think it could easily be +EV. Opponents fold way too often in huge pots, in big pots you want to do everything you can to win, not try to save bets. Capping will certainly help you win occasionally and only costs you 1SB when you lose. In addition, you will win this plenty of times and end up making money on the additional preflop money so at most it costs you a fraction of a bet to cap, it increases your chances of winning without a showdown (even though that is a remote event it certainly happens occasionally even in huge pots), and it takes advantage of your opponents mistake of folding too easily and playing too passively in massive pots. What do you guys say?

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bolded section: interesting idea. i don't because a 3-bet from SB with limpers in UTG isn't some crappy holding (barring reads). i'd rather wait to see what the flop brings and i have great position to raise then.

 Blue section: really? people fold more in big pots? that's not my experience. people seem to stick around longer in big pots (which isn't a bad thing either if we get our flush).

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I don't think he was saying that they fold more often. I think he was implying that people fold too often, which they do, but they fold less often in bigger pots (still a lot though).

xenthebrain · #20 05-10-2005, 10:46 AM

I would have capped the flop here.
If BB then continues to bet I would call down.

I put him on 44 and SB on a flush.