Live O8 players are worse then Party players

[GooperMC]

I almost never educate the fish however I play poker more for the fun then I do the money. At the time this player was annoying me, the entire table, and the dealer so I though that I would enjoy telling him that he was wrong more then winning a little bit more from him later.

I know that the dealer appreciated it because the next time I looked at him he winked at me. Either that or he was trying to pick me up .... hmmm now that I think about it .....

[toots]

I'm guilty of educating the fish. Or, I did the other day.

I'm playing O8 at the B&M, and I'm in a hand with little more than the nut low. The table captain to my left is betting like a drunken sailor, and pretty much convincing me that he's got the high. Thing is there's two other people in the hand, and they're check-calling everything, and I get this really sinking feeling that both of them also have the nut low.

Color me paranoid, but in this case, I was right. I probably should have folded on the turn when I came to this conclusion, but sure enough, he bets the turn, call, call, call. He bets the river, call, call, call. He turns up his high. Three olde pharts (I'm including myself) turn up A2 for the low.

Table captain goes on tilt and starts shouting: "I can't believe that three of you had an A2 and none of you bet!" and similar things over and over.

I let it go at first, but he just wouldn't let it go. I finally said, "Dude! I'm not playing for half the pot, and I figured the other two had A2 also, so any bet I would have made would have just put money in your pocket, and I really don't want to do that." The other two olde pharts nodded in assent.

I really regretted that outburst, but fortunately, it had no effect on him. He just kept on as if nothing happened.

I clammed back up, and on subsequent hands, went on to show that I was not at all bashful about betting/raising the nut low, and even less so when I was going to scoop.

But you know, ever since then, I've felt really stupid.

1) Even though I was right about getting sixthed (hexed?), I think I was way too paranoid in that hand. Yeah, I did save myself some money, but if I was right, I should have folded, and if I wasn't, I should have raised

2) If anyone at the table knew what they were doing, my outburst would have only confirmed that I was as big a fool as the ranting table captain.

I played the hand poorly and I played the players poorly.

Next time, I should take a plaque with me that reads "don't tap the glass."

[Tom Bayes]

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My problem with O8 live is that it's just harder to look at all four cards without flashing them at the whole table. Don't know why that is, but it's a lot more difficult than just squeezing two cards in a cupped palm.



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I have little experience playing Omaha live, but what I do once I have my 4 cards, instead of trying to look at all four at once, I'll look at 2, cupping my hands over them just like I was playing holdem, then the other two.

I don't know why half of the B&M O/8 players even bother look at their hands, because they hold up their cards to their face, limp in, keep looking back while calling everything to the river, then hold up their cards with puzzled looks on their faces before making the inevitable crying call, and turn over their hand and try to figure out if they made anything. If not, then argue about the hand [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Tom Bayes]

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Live Omaha8 is normally pretty terrible, obviously varies by casino, you normally get a collection of guys between 50-80 who dont understand the fundamentals, by telling that guy you were ahead without a made hand probably blew his mind, they would never accept this, I try not to ever educate anyone.

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It's always good fun to bet the flop with a nut flush and nut low draw, hit it on the turn or river, and then watch the old nit with the flopped straight with no low or redraws have a conniption fit.

[Ironman]

There's only one exception that I can think of when I will educate the fish.

If they come to me and say...I don't understand the game, could you help me learn how to play.

Had that happen a couple weeks ago at an Omaha SNG. Guy sat down at a table and started raising right away. Within 4 hands we could tell something wasn't right.

Suddenly he says, sorry guys I meant to sit at a Hold 'em table, I don't even know the rules.

So three or four of us told him the basic strategy and he started to do a little better.

He was first out at the table anyway, but we wanted him to come back in the future. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Dave

[toots]

I never miss a chance to do that.

It's like the whole field of O8 players never heard of betting on the come.

[Jim Morgan]

I'm playing O8 at the B&M, and I'm in a hand with little more than the nut low. The table captain to my left is betting like a drunken sailor, and pretty much convincing me that he's got the high. Thing is there's two other people in the hand, and they're check-calling everything, and I get this really sinking feeling that both of them also have the nut low.

Color me paranoid, but in this case, I was right. I probably should have folded on the turn when I came to this conclusion, but sure enough, he bets the turn, call, call, call. He bets the river, call, call, call. He turns up his high. Three olde pharts (I'm including myself) turn up A2 for the low.

Assuming the pot had 4 way action the entire way, no raise pre-flop, it had 4 big bets in it by the time the turn came and you put the other players on low. Calling 2 big bets to get to the river gave you 1/6th of a 12 big bet pot. So, the calls cost nothing. Of course, sensing the presence of two other A2 hands is a long way from being correct. It is far more likely that you are getting quartered. Now calling to the river actually wins 1 big bet. And yes, I know I am ignoring the impact of an A or 2 on the river, but even if that always beat you, calling would net 1 big bet far more often than you will get beat on the river.

In short, folding in that situation is more or less insane. If someone raises the pot, then you may need to fold, but until that happens, you really have no choice but to call.
The three way time for low is just not a very common event and making a read/play to cater to it is just not going to work well in the long run.

About raising.... I think that would be equally silly. If you are reading your opponenets for nut lows, go ahead and assume that one of them does. Or better still, assume thaqt 80% of the time exactly one of them has a nut low and that 10% of the time they both do and play accordingly. The problem with raising on the turn is simple.... You may drive out either high hand and wind up getting quartered in 3-way action and doing so because of your own foolishness.
Getting beat by a bad river is also a possibility, which will be a lot worse than simply knocking out the donator.

Even on the river raising with low and 3 players already in is not always wise. I often do it, but if I have a strong read of getting quartered, I don't do it. If I get re-raised and only the other nut low calls, I have basically pissed off chips for no reason. This idea that one must either raise or fold simply does not apply in all situations, and is a theme that comes up a lot in O-8.

[Trainwreck]

Don't educate at the table, let the donks stay donkified to the max! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Omaha high is spread more in Vegas than O8b, and what I have seen, it's just laughably bad!

Sharks should be circling these games in droves, I'm diving into some OH tomorrow.
Here the std low limit is 4/8, but plays like 1-3 Hold'em at the Excalibur.

YMMV

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