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Old 05-01-2005, 09:24 PM
krishanleong krishanleong is offline
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Default Re: Clarkmeister?

My read is throwing everyone off. I should have said I didn't think he was capable of bluff raising the river. I think only a select few of 5/10 players are capable of that move.


Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 2s 4s (flush, queen high).
MP has 9d 9c (two pair, nines and threes).
Outcome: Hero wins 7 BB. </font>

Krishan
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Old 05-01-2005, 09:28 PM
Alobar Alobar is offline
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[ QUOTE ]
My read is throwing everyone off. I should have said I didn't think he was capable of bluff raising the river. I think only a select few of 5/10 players are capable of that move.


Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 2s 4s (flush, queen high).
MP has 9d 9c (two pair, nines and threes).
Outcome: Hero wins 7 BB. </font>

Krishan

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unless Im on crack, those results dont match the hand you posted
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Old 05-01-2005, 09:30 PM
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unless Im on crack, those results dont match the hand you posted

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Old 05-01-2005, 09:32 PM
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you may be on crack, but they def don't match. :-P

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Old 05-01-2005, 09:36 PM
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btw, who is Clarkmeister or Clarkmeisters theorem?

im sorry for the question but im from sweden, stupid and constantly smoking crack with Alobar.
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Old 05-01-2005, 09:40 PM
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I think check folding the river here is horrible.At least a 1bb mistake.

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Old 05-01-2005, 09:45 PM
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I habitually check/call the river here. I really don't know if it's best, but I don't think I've seen anyone offer a clear rationale against that yet.
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Old 05-01-2005, 09:51 PM
mperich mperich is offline
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The rational between the bet fold line is that they are going to value bet any club if you check anyways, while checking behind many hands they would have called a bet with. Also, most players won't raise less than say a jack flush at lowest, and many only A or K flushes, so you can safely fold to a raise. Basically you are nullifying their positional advantage as much as you can.

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Old 05-01-2005, 10:14 PM
Wynton Wynton is offline
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Is it really safe to assume he's not going to raise with less than a J club, and safe to assume that many players are calling here with less than a decent club. If so, I understand the logic of the bet out line, but I'm not sure about those assumptions.
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Old 05-01-2005, 10:20 PM
krishanleong krishanleong is offline
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[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
My read is throwing everyone off. I should have said I didn't think he was capable of bluff raising the river. I think only a select few of 5/10 players are capable of that move.


Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 2s 4s (flush, queen high).
MP has 9d 9c (two pair, nines and threes).
Outcome: Hero wins 7 BB. </font>

Krishan

[/ QUOTE ]

unless Im on crack, those results dont match the hand you posted

[/ QUOTE ]

Well [censored]. I didn't promise real results.

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 6h 6c (flush, queen high).
Button has 2d Ah (one pair, fours).
Outcome: Hero wins 6.20 BB. </font>

The thing about this hand is I am right. And Alobar is right. Basically you don't beat a damn thing on this river. Everything points to you being beat. Everytime you check-call you are going to lose. Once in a while he'll have a hand that you beat and will check behind.

So the real choice here is between betting and folding to a raise or checkfolding. Check-calling is infinitely worse than bet-folding.

Krishan
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