moral question

[dancraw]

......anyone have any idea how many people, worldwide, are tortured to death each day? My degenerate gambler reptile brain is now trying to come up with the actual odds on this thing.

[krimson]

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......anyone have any idea how many people, worldwide, are tortured to death each day? My degenerate gambler reptile brain is now trying to come up with the actual odds on this thing.

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I saw this line on Pinnacle for +100900

[purnell]

"There exists a person."

Lost me. Can't accept the premise. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Yeknom58]

Does he want to die. Will his torture cause a greater good...etc, etc. So basically if this act happens in a bubble I nix the guy every time..why let him suffer.

[Scotch78]

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"There exists a person."

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Proving that premise is a LOT harder than you'd expect. In fact, I'd wager a pretty big chunk of my bankroll that you can't do it.

Scott

[David Sklansky]

Of course the answer is yes. But here is a tougher one:

There exists five people. There is a 90% chance they will all be killed tomorrow. You can stop that totally by killing one of them, chosen randomly, today. Should you? If you answered yes change the probability to 40% and answer again.

[Sykes]

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Of course the answer is yes. But here is a tougher one:

There exists five people. There is a 90% chance they will all be killed tomorrow. You can stop that totally by killing one of them, chosen randomly, today. Should you? If you answered yes change the probability to 40% and answer again.

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Yes to 90% and yes to 40% because you will be saving more lives in the long run.

90% x 5 = 4.5 ppl x 100 days = 450 people dead
100% x 1 = 1 person x 100 = 100

40% x 5 = 2 x 100 = 200
100% x 1 = 1 x 100 = 100

The only way you should refuse saying yes is if the probability is under 20%.

[Pepsquad]

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Of course the answer is yes. But here is a tougher one:

There exists five people. There is a 90% chance they will all be killed tomorrow. You can stop that totally by killing one of them, chosen randomly, today. Should you? If you answered yes change the probability to 40% and answer again.

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Yes to 90% and yes to 40% because you will be saving more lives in the long run.

90% x 5 = 4.5 ppl x 100 days = 450 people dead
100% x 1 = 1 person x 100 = 100

40% x 5 = 2 x 100 = 200
100% x 1 = 1 x 100 = 100

The only way you should refuse saying yes is if the probability is under 20%.

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If I was the unlucky one of those five people and you came to me with this as your reasoning I'd shove that formula straight up your ass.

[Jazza]

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Of course the answer is yes. But here is a tougher one:

There exists five people. There is a 90% chance they will all be killed tomorrow. You can stop that totally by killing one of them, chosen randomly, today. Should you? If you answered yes change the probability to 40% and answer again.

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Yes to 90% and yes to 40% because you will be saving more lives in the long run.

90% x 5 = 4.5 ppl x 100 days = 450 people dead
100% x 1 = 1 person x 100 = 100

40% x 5 = 2 x 100 = 200
100% x 1 = 1 x 100 = 100

The only way you should refuse saying yes is if the probability is under 20%.

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i am thinking in a similar way here, but you forgot to factor in effects on yourself for killing some one

for instance, if i were to recieve the death penalty for doing this 40% would be my threshold

alternativly, if all that was going to happen to me was the stress and memories of killing some one else my threshold is lowered to about 22%

[Pepsquad]

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Of course the answer is yes. But here is a tougher one:

There exists five people. There is a 90% chance they will all be killed tomorrow. You can stop that totally by killing one of them, chosen randomly, today. Should you? If you answered yes change the probability to 40% and answer again.

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Yes to 90% and yes to 40% because you will be saving more lives in the long run.

90% x 5 = 4.5 ppl x 100 days = 450 people dead
100% x 1 = 1 person x 100 = 100

40% x 5 = 2 x 100 = 200
100% x 1 = 1 x 100 = 100

The only way you should refuse saying yes is if the probability is under 20%.

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If I was the unlucky one of those five people and you came to me with this as your reasoning I'd shove that formula straight up your ass.

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After further reflection, I need to amend this. At 90%, I think I'd be willing to bite the bullet for 4 human lives. 40%? You'd better hope I can't defend myself or the only one dying today is you. I'll take my 3:2 odds into tomorrow.