So, you're telling me you beat TPTK.......

[mr pink]

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Without a read, YES!

Also consider that you can often find a river fold if a crub hits.

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given the action, i'd be inclined to fold without a read that says this guy is an aggro nutbag.

[Fnord]

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given the action, i'd be inclined to fold without a read that says this guy is an aggro nutbag.

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Recreational players (given that Bob has no read and I know he runs PT +PV it's a pretty good guess) run funny lines often enough that I see no compelling reason to fold here. I just don't fold good hands in somewhat big pots for a single bet without a read, especially on draw heavy boards.

[Pil Sung Do]

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I think without reads I call the three bet and fold to a turn bet if I don't improve. But everyone calls me weak/tight



That's cuz that is what your line is, IMO. But I tend to suck.

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My point of view is that I would rather miss one or two bets and win and find out my opponent is overplaying his hand, than lose the maximum because I didn't give him enough credit for having what he is representing.

Wait, that means I call down... forget my previous statement. I call down [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

[New001]

I'm always a little more careful with a J and a T are on the board together, because so many barns play JTo and JTs from any position. I would call the flop 3-bet and either call down or fold UI on the turn.

[ErrantNight]

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My point of view is that I would rather miss one or two bets and win and find out my opponent is overplaying his hand, than lose the maximum because I didn't give him enough credit for having what he is representing.


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these three things are not necessarily inextricably linked...

[private joker]

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I put him on either trips, or two pair.

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He can't have trips; there's no pair on the board. I'd put him on a set, maybe.

[Pil Sung Do]

I don't understand. What do you mean?

[edtost]

this is the point in the hand where ed starts calling down.

[Nick C]

When UTG+1 doesn't let the flop cap slow him down, I think you most likely have 0-3 outs.

Against an unknown, I would prefer to see a showdown less expensively and would probably start calling down after the flop 3-bet.

This line only saves 1 SB, but your chances of being ahead when UTG+1 leads the turn are better if he's not doing so in response to a flop cap by you.

The flop cap starts looking more attractive to me if you don't feel committed to a showdown.

[PokerBob]

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I've got no read on this dude.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (9.33 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (10.66 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP3 calls, Hero ?????????

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I folded. I gave the guy JT or at least 2-pair. Had we been HU, I think I call him down, but the other guy was drawing IMO, which filthified one of my A outs and counterfeit outs. Needless to say, the A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] hit the river, UTG+1 bets, MP3 folds. I suck.