Future of RakeBack at Party Skins

[berya]

"Party holds the cards in this game. Don't be surprised when your rakeback with Empire ends soon. Party is dead set against it."

I always thought Party got some percentage if you played on sister sites. Sister sites means partnership to me. And partnership means they must be splitting money one way or the other.

All I know if not for the rakeback I would pretty much never play there. That means between them and sister sites they would be loosing 7-10K a month. Not a smart move if you ask me.

[StacysMom]

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I just got this email from my PokerNow affiliate. Can anyone substantiate the part about affiliates not being able to track INDIVIDUAL rake stats.


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Substantiated, it happend to me.

[solucky]

Amazing Party. I pay around 600$ rake monthly and my winnings are 200$ included rakeback (without bonus). You could be sure that i dont play 60-100 hours for 50$, the only way to hold me in the pokerworld is than a excellent loyalty system.........and i dont mean this partypoints

[teddyFBI]

Well hopefully all this paranoia is just over an end to individual TRACKING, and not an end to rakeback...all it means is that we'll have to go back to the 'old days' of going by pokertracker data...i don't see party actually absorbing entire skins like Empire or Eurobet, who have MUCH larger player bases than PokerNOW.

[kenberman]

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"Party holds the cards in this game. Don't be surprised when your rakeback with Empire ends soon. Party is dead set against it."
I always thought Party got some percentage if you played on sister sites. Sister sites means partnership to me. And partnership means they must be splitting money one way or the other.


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of course Party gets revenue from Empire, and they have a partnership. But who do you think runs that relationship? Empire needs Party far more than Party needs Empire, so Party can certainly impose their will on issues they deem important. They've deemed rakeback something that they are dead against, and will work to get rid of it.

It doesn't make me happy, it's just the way it is.

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All I know if not for the rakeback I would pretty much never play there. That means between them and sister sites they would be loosing 7-10K a month

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I think they're ready to see if you're serious or not.

[Chiron]

I'm not entirely sure I understand Party's reasoning for shunning rakeback... Wouldn't Party make CONSIDERABLY MORE $$$ if they just offered their own rakeback deal to attract back these high volume players that are FORCED to get rakeback deals with affiliates due to opportunity cost? Party isn't going to attract these players back to their site by acting the Grinch; they are going to find a completely different network that does support rakeback instead. Can somebody explain the financial reasons behind Party's anti-rakeback crusade?

[LuvDemNutz]

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Well hopefully all this paranoia is just over an end to individual TRACKING, and not an end to rakeback...all it means is that we'll have to go back to the 'old days' of going by pokertracker data...i don't see party actually absorbing entire skins like Empire or Eurobet, who have MUCH larger player bases than PokerNOW.

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Can you explain what you mean by going back to the "old days" of PokerTracker data?
How does an affiliate have access to your PT data - or how can an affiliate trust your PT data?

I don't get it.

[David]

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Amazing Party. I pay around 600$ rake monthly and my winnings are 200$ included rakeback (without bonus). You could be sure that i dont play 60-100 hours for 50$, the only way to hold me in the pokerworld is than a excellent loyalty system.........and i dont mean this partypoints

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Not to pick on any specific poster, but, $50 per 100 hours? Jeez, get a new hobby. From alot of the posts in many threads concerning this subject I believe if alot of posters would concentrate less on rakeback and more on getting better at the game they might actually make more money. I am sensing a whole culture of people who play for rakeback and it just happens to be poker they are playing.

Edit to say; Really not picking on you solucky, I do however believe your statement is typical of many of the people who post in these threads. Instead of improving at poker they simply rely on rakeback to keep them even or make a tiny amount of money per month. These posters are missing the boat. While rakeback can't hurt there is MUCH more to be made IMO by improving your game if you are a "typical" player.

[sonny black]

april 27th 4:33 Et 49008 players on 6559 tables. They don't care about any affiliates or rakeback.

[teddyFBI]

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Well hopefully all this paranoia is just over an end to individual TRACKING, and not an end to rakeback...all it means is that we'll have to go back to the 'old days' of going by pokertracker data...i don't see party actually absorbing entire skins like Empire or Eurobet, who have MUCH larger player bases than PokerNOW.

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Can you explain what you mean by going back to the "old days" of PokerTracker data?
How does an affiliate have access to your PT data - or how can an affiliate trust your PT data?

I don't get it.

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That's the whole point -- you better pick an affil u trust, b/c he won't be able to track ur play individually...so in the "old days", I'd send my affil a screenshot of my PT window...it hinges far more on the 'honor system'...why would he trust it? Well, he'd know something were fishy if his players were asking to be paid out more than he got paid from the site in commission.