Did I Get Lucky On The Turn? (Props To Garland)

[Mattarific]

I want value every time i hit a nut set with rags on the board.....but i'm funny like that.

[Garland]

[ QUOTE ]
I was more worried about extracting value than protecting my hand on the turn. Also if I bet out strong and he raises me, I don't think I could get away from my hand. When he checked the flop the first thing that came to my mind was that he might have KK. So when I hit my set on the turn I was very wary. If he'd raised big after my turn check-raise I definitely could have found a fold. As it was I just couldn't throw it away for eight more bucks.

That said, is it still important to bet here? I've been wrong before.

[/ QUOTE ]

Worrying about an overset really should be the least of your concerns as these things happen rarely. Preflop raiser could easily have something like QQ or JJ and is afraid of the K and checked. You should be attempting to extract value from weak Ks, AK or a scared underpair unable to release the hand and protecting your hand against something like QJ, JT or two hearts. If you get raised by the preflop raiser, then you need to take stock on your hand. I'd probably call the raise, and fold to a massive river all-in.

And to those who say that there are villians who will do this with AK or AA, and you'll kill yourself if you folded the winner. This is not true. You'll find out soon enough if overplays his marginal hands or bluffs too much, and you'll eventually take his money due to his overaggressiveness. So either he's sane and has you crushed and you saved money, or he's not a good player and you'll take his money later in a better spot.

Garland

[Spladle Master]

[ QUOTE ]
Worrying about an overset really should be the least of your concerns as these things happen rarely. Preflop raiser could easily have something like QQ or JJ and is afraid of the K and checked. You should be attempting to extract value from weak Ks, AK or a scared underpair unable to release the hand and protecting your hand against something like QJ, JT or two hearts. If you get raised by the preflop raiser, then you need to take stock on your hand. I'd probably call the raise, and fold to a massive river all-in.

And to those who say that there are villians who will do this with AK or AA, and you'll kill yourself if you folded the winner. This is not true. You'll find out soon enough if overplays his marginal hands or bluffs too much, and you'll eventually take his money due to his overaggressiveness. So either he's sane and has you crushed and you saved money, or he's not a good player and you'll take his money later in a better spot.

Garland

[/ QUOTE ]

I wasn't really WORRIED about an overset. Actually, the only reason it occurred to me was because I had just read the hand you posted that shared this thread's title. Normally I'd put the PFR on a pocket pair lower than kings or AA/AK that decided to play it tricky. I figured he'd bet any of these on the turn and I could get in a check-raise. I did not think he would raise the turn with any hand I beat, so I thought this would maximize value. His small bet, however, made me a little cautious, and after his min-re-raise I just knew he had kings.

Anywho, even though I probably could've called and not lost any sleep over it, I pulled the trigger and let my time run down on the river. Villain showed, and I just went crazy. It wasn't a whole lot of money, but it felt really, really, really, really good to know that I could make that fold and have it be correct. In case it isn't obvious, that's the first time I've folded a set on a board where a set was the nuts.

Edit: Okay, barring 75 or 52. I didn't put him on either of these.