What do you make of this 3-bet?

[Garland]

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What I think needs to be pointed out, though, that hasn't yet been pointed out, is that you called his preflop raise hoping to flop a set and get it all in against an overpair, and I think that is exactly what you need to do. I think if you can't put your stack in the middle in this situation you have to reconsider playing small pairs for raises preflop. Yes, sometimes you're going to lose your stack to Jacks

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Yes!! This is what I'm aiming for. Of course I'm calling hoping to hit a set to go in against an overpair. And that's exactly what I did. We got it all in.

But look at how it played out...he bet about the minimum without looking like a complete idiot, which looked fishy in itself. Then when I raised him a decent amount on the flop, he proceeded to reraise me again...the minimum possible. Every player I know and don't know, if they were going with the hand, they are pushing much harder than that with AA, KK, QQ or A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. It just gave me a read that this guy is doing his darnest to not let me fold (but trying to build a pot while at it)! He literally had to have the set of JJs the way it played out, and if I encounter the same scenario and against a certain opponent I have a read on, I might actually find the fold!

When we finally did get it in on the flop...after seven bets, raises and the final call, I thought to myself "he has to have JJ". Then the case 7 flashed on the screen during the turn giving me the quad nuts to suck out.

Thanks for your thoughts,

Garland

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (9 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

UTG ($200)
UTG+1 ($406.20)
MP1 ($105.80)
MP2 ($572.20)
MP3 ($1044.40)
<font color="#C00000">CO ($369.70)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Garland ($392)</font>
SB ($94.90)
BB ($265.20)

Preflop: Garland is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $4.
UTG (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls $4, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls $4, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $17</font>, Garland calls $17, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG folds, MP1 calls $13, MP3 calls $13.

Flop: ($78) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
MP1 checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $23</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Garland raises to $66</font>, MP1 folds, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $109</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Garland raises to $216</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $323</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Garland raises to $375 and all-in</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO calls $352.70 and is all-in</font>.

Turn: ($783.40) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: ($783.40) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $783.40

Results below:
CO has Js Jc (full house, jacks full of sevens).
Garland has 7c 7s (four of a kind, sevens).
Outcome: Garland wins $783.40.

[-Skeme-]

nh

[ThePortuguee]

Sucking out's better than making good reads anyway.

Yeah it's a bizarre and fishy line the villain took, and it does sort of scream "I want you in the pot." But on the other hand I've seen similar lines in similar situations with hands like AKd and AA, and while I agree that it's hard to put him on a hand other than JJ, here, I dont know if I could live with myself for laying down 77 in that situation without a sick read to go on.

[RubberDucky]

what other kind of flop were you hoping for?

[Garland]

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what other kind of flop were you hoping for?

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One without an overset possible [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img].

Seriously, look at the flop action on the results, and tell me something doesn't look seriously bizarre.

Garland

[ThePortuguee]

What about a board with two sevens?

Oh wait you turned that.

Oh well.

[RubberDucky]

what is your reasoning on the raise fest?

[soah]

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what other kind of flop were you hoping for?

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This ain't video poker. You have to think about more than just your own hand.

[RubberDucky]

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what other kind of flop were you hoping for?

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This ain't video poker. You have to think about more than just your own hand.

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thanks for the insight