My favorite 6-max hand - playing against posters

[Trix]

Limp preflop.

Posters should make you more inclined to play, but less inclined to steal, as there are more money in the pot, but also more people to defend.

[RunDownHouse]

22 may very well have been the best hand preflop, but you'll certainly have to deal with 5 overcards on the board the vast majority of the time you even make it to the river.

[magic_man]

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What about making the pot larger to tie players on with bottom pair and worse hands when you hit a set?

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~MagicMan

[RunDownHouse]

Not worth it, especially if these guys are donks who love to call anyways, as all the posting likely indicates. I doubt you'll need to "tie" the average player to the pot, as they'll have two live overs and will probably peel anyways.

I think you're much better off messing around with check/raises and what not to get value when you hit your set than you are trying to get value pf.

[IlliniRyRy]

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Flop: (9.40 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, , MP times out (is all-in)

MP has 9d 6s (high card, ace).


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How convenient. If this guy did this on purpose, I'd want to slice his eyeballs out.

[kurosh]

Wtf? No, I can pretty much guarantee you 22 was not the best hand and didn't have an equity edge PF. I'm being very generous here as these two hands are taking each other's straight outs but still:

1,184,331,456 games 2.375 secs 498,665,876 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 32.1714 % [ 00.31 00.01 ] { 22 }
Hand 2: 35.7054 % [ 00.35 00.01 ] { 74o }
Hand 3: 32.1233 % [ 00.31 00.01 ] { 83o }


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and if anyone has a suited connector:

41,095,296 games 0.079 secs 520,193,620 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 48.6539 % [ 00.47 00.02 ] { 22 }
Hand 2: 51.3461 % [ 00.50 00.02 ] { 54s }


Please don't post misleading facts when you have no idea what you're talking about.

[RunDownHouse]

/shrug Clearly the numbers will change with the number of hands that are out there. Hero might have gotten a fold out of the 74o. He might not have. No way of knowing, and just another reason not to raise preflop.

I think saying I have no idea what I'm talking about - based only on the statement, "22 might have been best pf" - is pretty harsh, especially considering the rest of my two posts dealt with why 22 being best/not being best pf is largely a moot point.

Try not to get so riled up next time, mmkay?

[krishanleong]

I think the idea is if both players are all in preflop, a small pocket pair generally has better than 50% equity against a single opponent. The problem is as Kurosh points out, the hand blows postflop when every card that doesn't set you is an overcard.

Krishan

[kurosh]

No, it's a very simple concept and it's the only one I'm addressing. I don't care who says it. You are up against 5 random hands. 3 of them are apparently below average. Against ONE hand, unless it's 2x, you have, at best, around a 1-3% equity edge. Multiway, there is no chance in hell you have an equity edge. You, and whoever agrees with you, had it wrong and I am correcting it.

[RunDownHouse]

kurosh,

I think we're just getting our lines crossed, as krishan pointed out. How about if I clarified my original post to say:
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22 may very well have been the best single hand preflop, but you'll certainly have to deal with 5 overcards on the board the vast majority of the time you even make it to the river.

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This is a pretty tangential, semantic argument to get involved in and - seemingly - angry about. Are we done yet?