VP$IP calculations

[chief444]

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hint: the chief is loose...30+


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Actually I'm somewhere between 19 and 20. I think close to 20 for 2/4 and maybe a little closer to 19 for 3/6. Although I may actually be over 20 on 3/6 now but probably not if I filtered out when it was 3-6 handed.

[party36master]

Do you think you're making appropriate adjustments for position? Look at your VPIP by position.

I'm at 20.5% VPIP over my last 25,000 hands.
On the button, I'm at 23%. Small Blind 26%. My lowest position is at 17.5%.

I'm at 1.5 BB/100, so not as good results as some others on the forum.

[Fat Nicky]

I don't usually get involved in these stat posts because they don't interest me. On that note, the majority of posters here will definitly think i'm too tight. In my last 40K hands at 3/6, my VPIP is 14% and I am more than comfortable with my winrate. At the same time, I know there are players that are 17%-20% VPIP and are beating the game for a good sum as well. This leads me to believe I need to find spots to open up my game pre-flop and I have a feeling it is with hands like mid suited connectors.

[TGoldman]

IMO, you make the vast majority of your money from the hands that comprise about 10% of your VP$IP (That % is just a rough estimate on my part). After that 10%, I'd guess there is another 5% that are marginally profitable and then another 5% that are about break-even. You could probably play all of the break-even hands and make about the same if you folded them all. There are good reasons to play break-even hands for image considerations, although against unobservant players online it probably doesn't matter too much. We're talking poker so everything is relative, of course. A break-even hand can become a great hand when it's folded around to you on the botton. In general, I think the whole "Optimal VP$IP" debate is backwards. As long as you're not too tight (VP$IP less than about 13%) or too loose (VP$IP greater than about 25%) then you're much better off focussing on specific situations rather than squabbling over the "optimal" aggregate VP$IP.

[chief444]

You also 8-table. If I played 8 tables I think I'd be right around your number. Of course I have trouble keeping focused on 4-tables so I'd probably be a losing player attempting 8 tables right now.

[meep_42]

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What ever are you referring to? :P

-d

[FoodForThought]

OK...thanks guys! I understand that they are just guidelines and that players can win at 12% and at 19%. However, nobody can win at 0% or 100%. I do think there is an optimal VP$IP percentage, from a statistical point of view...considering adjustments, superior postflop play, etc. I guess it is a range, due to the many 0 EV situations. What do you think the range is (long term of course)...that can produce the highest win rate?

Would you all be willing to post your VP$IP%, PFR%, win rate, and number of hands?

Thanks again........

[FoodForThought]

I took all of that (or most of it) into consideration when calculating

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Lay off on the beers, and you could play 16 Matt! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Just be glad you didn't have 20 to fix!