Anything look really bad about my pt stats (other than my win rate?)

[tiltaholic]

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but 22% VPIP is definitely too high if you aren't good post-flop.

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I think this is a REALLY important point that recently has been sitting quietly in the back of the room since everyone in the micro forum has recently begun to shout about how everyone should be loosening up preflop.

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How do you propose people get good at postflop play then? It certainly isn't by playing AA all the time. You can read all the books and threads you want, but experience and evaluating the hands you've played are the most important tools for advancing your level of skill. If you never jump into the pool how are you supposed to learn how to swim?

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This is very true. I was not saying - never loosen up, never learn the marginal situations. Clearly they are important and a vital part of becoming a great player. But truthfully, they have nothing to do with winning at .5/1 at Party. This can be accomplished in a straightforward ABC fashion.

Learning also takes time. 8000 hands is likely not sufficient. From my experience, it took me 10000 hands just to get my VPIP down below 20 and know which hands were marginal and which weren't and why. I am still working hands back into my arsenal, and gaining comfort and confidence as I go...this will always happen. But there is a reason why we say: start off tight, loosen up as you learn. The same is true for a downswing. Tighten up, ride it out.

The question posed by the OP was not: "How do I become a better player?", as you state. It was "Why am I losing so much?"

[KaiShin]

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The question posed by the OP was not: "How do I become a better player?", as you state. It was "Why am I losing so much?"

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Very good point.

To which I would also reply, "you're too loose preflop".

[GrunchCan]

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How do you propose people get good at postflop play then? It certainly isn't by playing AA all the time. You can read all the books and threads you want, but experience and evaluating the hands you've played are the most important tools for advancing your level of skill. If you never jump into the pool how are you supposed to learn how to swim?


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Playing 1/2 6m is a good way to learn to loosen up in rings. It shows you the why and the when.

[deception5]

Hi all - thanks for the feedback. I think my vp$ip is skewed from the first 4k hands where I was generally using the loose chart. I noticed that my most profitable locations were the 3 mp spots which I believed were because that is the only intersection between the loose & tight charts. Since then my vp$ip has gone down a point and a half so far so I think that's on the right track.

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Aggression factor?

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I didn't see this on the list (do I need to scroll over for this one?) - I'll try and find this tonight.

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To the OP: Were you winning at Pacific, and then losing at Party? Or were all those 8k hands at Party?

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I was winning at Pacific - went from $20 + $5 bonus up to $200 through .05/.10, .10/.20, .25/.50. I went to Paradise and played around 1000 hands there to clear the bonus at about 2BB/100 and then I've been at the party skins ever since and thought I was doing well at about 3k hands with 8BB/100. The party&skins hands are the only ones in pokertracker.

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Try to get away from using PF hand charts. Your goal should be to be able to make the correct PF decision based on game conditions.

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I tried to do this but I think I am too aggressive postflop sometimes. For example when it's folded to me in late position I was raising with something like A5o. Usually this results in me winning the blinds or losing a few big bets. I think I need to stick with the charts until I feel more comfortable with my post flop skills.

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Playing & studying 1/2 6m might help your endgame.

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I would love to do this but I really don't feel comfortable moving up until I'm fairly certain that I'm a winning .50/1 player.
I'm glad to hear that most people recommend tightning up preflop as that's what I've been trying to do for the past 2k hands

Thanks for the help!
D5

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I propose taking Entity to 4bets on the river(and 3on the turn) with just a pair of 8's(no kicker obviously) that you rivered .. on a paired board, with overcard and is 4flushed

also apply my theorem very frequently(its better than Clarkmeister's [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]) bluff bet/3bet on the river when the 4th flush card hits OOP in big pots(I'm gonna nail one of you guys with this eventually)

[deception5]

Here is aggression:

pf .27
flop 1.10
turn 1.83
river .83
total .71

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Here is aggression:

pf .27
flop 1.10
turn 1.83
river .83
total .71

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Looks like you're loose-passive.

Tighten up for a while until you start to feel like you're playing well, and play your good hands more aggressively. More betting/raising/folding and less calling in general. Hard to say specificially without reading any of your hands though.

Read SSH if you haven't already.

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Here is aggression:

pf .27
flop 1.10
turn 1.83
river .83
total .71

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You are way too passive. My flop AF is literally three times yours, and I suspect that's the same for most other people in this forum. (Your river AF is also way low and should be at least twice its current value).

Definitely work on postflop play.

[deception5]

Cool thanks I'll work on that. I have read SSH and have been going back and rereading sections whenever I get the chance!

Thanks again,
D5

[GrunchCan]

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Here is aggression:

pf .27
flop 1.10
turn 1.83
river .83
total .71

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Looks like you're loose-passive.

Tighten up for a while until you start to feel like you're playing well, and play your good hands more aggressively. More betting/raising/folding and less calling in general. Hard to say specificially without reading any of your hands though.

Read SSH if you haven't already.

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Yep, get SSH-ified.

Based on your aggression, I don't recommend 1/2 6m. You will get destroyed.