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Re: Is this a value bet?
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into one person, probably. [/ QUOTE ] I disagree. There have to be special circumstances or a read to value bet ace high on the river. Even against a single opponent. Krishan |
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Re: Is this a value bet?
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[ QUOTE ] into one person, probably. [/ QUOTE ] I disagree. There have to be special circumstances or a read to value bet ace high on the river. Even against a single opponent. Krishan [/ QUOTE ] a player with a 60 VPIP is pretty special. I value bet A high at least a few times a session and I'd estimate that I win around 2/3 of the time. it's not hugely profitable but they call with anything if there's trips on the board |
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Re: Is this a value bet?
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Does it have something to do with the fundamental theorem of poker? If so then yes I do. [/ QUOTE ] well, I guess anything could have to do with the FTOP, so I guess it could but basically think about the scenarios. Situation: He has a pair or quads if you bet, he calls (or you bet, he raises, you fold) if you check, he bets, you call Net: it doesn't matter, as you pay 1 bet and lose in both cases Situation: He has K high or a worse A high- if you bet, he calls sometimes if you check, he checks Net: you gain by betting the times he pays off with a worse hand Situation: He has worse than Q high if you bet, he folds if you check, he checks behind because he's passive Net: doesn't matter. in each situation you win the pot and don't get a bet from him on the river there are some differences, but I don't think they apply so much here: - sometimes players will check through with a worse hand - sometimes players will bluff raise and you usually have to fold or make a crying call - sometimes you can induce a bluff by checking - sometimes a player is so passive that you can check-fold against very aggressive players, they might have a good bluffing frequency and make it very difficult on you if you bet. they also will bluff more, so checking is better. against tight-passive players, you won't get paid off by A high but they also might not bet a better hand. against very passive players, you can check and fold, knowing they won't bluff. against loose players that are capable of making routine value bets (like a 5 or 8 here), or make the occasional bluff if checked to, I think betting is best. if it was me vs. the loose passive CO, I might check-fold, but I think betting is better than check-calling |
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Re: Is this a value bet?
What makes you think a passive player is going to bet a low pair here?
They arent thinking about value bets they are thinking about getting a free showdown. |
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What makes you think a passive player is going to bet a low pair here? They arent thinking about value bets they are thinking about getting a free showdown. [/ QUOTE ] they don't just have a pair, they have a FULL HOUSE!!!!! I'd say like 80-90% of 5/10 players will bet the river headsup with a 5. |
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Re: Is this a value bet?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] into one person, probably. [/ QUOTE ] I disagree. There have to be special circumstances or a read to value bet ace high on the river. Even against a single opponent. Krishan [/ QUOTE ] a player with a 60 VPIP is pretty special. I value bet A high at least a few times a session and I'd estimate that I win around 2/3 of the time. it's not hugely profitable but they call with anything if there's trips on the board [/ QUOTE ] A player with 60% VP$IP is ordinary. A player with 60% WTSD would qualify. A situation where you 3-bet a player with AK in position might qualify. Krishan |
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Re: Is this a value bet?
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[ QUOTE ] What makes you think a passive player is going to bet a low pair here? They arent thinking about value bets they are thinking about getting a free showdown. [/ QUOTE ] they don't just have a pair, they have a FULL HOUSE!!!!! I'd say like 80-90% of 5/10 players will bet the river headsup with a 5. [/ QUOTE ] I disagree here too. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] I think lots of players will check behind with better hands here. Krishan |
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Re: Is this a value bet?
Yeah I guess against one person its a no brainer value bet(obviously expecting the guy to call with Ahigh) against 2 I'd prefer check/call check/fold depending on where the bet comes from.
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Re: Is this a value bet?
Yeah, it takes a special read for me aswell.
Notes: Plays PP 5-10 Sh. Action: Value bet A high on river. |
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Re: Is this a value bet?
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Yeah, it takes a special read for me aswell. Notes: Plays PP 5-10 Sh. Action: Value bet A high on river. [/ QUOTE ] I think you are disagreeing with me. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Having trouble telling. Here is a link with a more thorough discussion. link' Krishan |
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