Standard fold pre-flop?

[chiachu]

i dont see how you can fold this when its 2 more back to you. i didnt add up the nubmer of bets in there, but im assuming the pot odds + implied odds is more then enough for a call here.

Is this a standard preflop raise though? Id be more inclined to just call and make it a multiway pot (unless this was a tight table, which im assuming its not at .5-1). But then again im weak tight and have no postflop skills [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[Shillx]

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But if you're gonna fold the flop barring a seven then why would you make the call with improper odds to hit a set?

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We are getting better then 5:1 on the call. How is this improper odds? Assume 5:1.

Implied odds needed = 7.5:1 * 4 - 5:1 * 4 = 10 SB = 5 BB

We had best be getting back 5 BB from these guys when we hit a set. And then about 3% of the time we will flop an OESD as well.

Brad

[DeathDonkey]

Awful awful fold. You almost had immediate odds to flop a set, much less super huge mega implied odds.

-DeathDonkey

[A_C_Slater]

Okay. You've convinced me as usual. How many theories does Clarkmeister have? I know of #1 and I just now have heard of #2. Are there any more? Linky links?

[Aaron W.]

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Clarkmesiter's 2nd Law: NEVER fold a pocket pair preflop after you already have one SB (small bet) invested in the pot.

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I've never heard that one. I completely agree with it.

[elitegimp]

In the future, you should cut off the post at the place you have a question. For example:

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Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter
Raised pre-flop I was the first one in. Opponents haven't seen me play a lot of hands. Also thought I might buy the button with a PF raise. Folded pre-flop cause I felt like I only had two outs. And even if my hand was good I felt like it would be hard for me to continue. Just want to know if my thinking is correct. Also this wasn't a very aggressive table.
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero ...

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As others before me said, this is an easy call. Sometimes, though, your decision will be borderline and you don't want results-oriented responses.

[Entity]

This fold is [censored] terrible.

Getting 5:1 and you're going to get a ton of action if you hit your set. Much more than 3SB's, that's for damned sure.

Rob

[Entity]

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you're getting odds of 5 to 1. You'll flop a seven 8 to 1. Easy fold.

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Terrible. Folding this is very bad.

The openraise in MP1 is good but not if you'll fold when it's two more back to you 3-handed.

[FishHooks]

true, but your not taking into account implied odds, i might call this as long as the players aren't super tight.

[grjr]

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But if you're gonna fold the flop barring a seven then why would you make the call with improper odds to hit a set?

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We are getting better then 5:1 on the call. How is this improper odds? Assume 5:1.

Implied odds needed = 7.5:1 * 4 - 5:1 * 4 = 10 SB = 5 BB

We had best be getting back 5 BB from these guys when we hit a set. And then about 3% of the time we will flop an OESD as well.

Brad

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Is there no value at all to the 7's winning UI against 2 players?