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04-15-2005, 04:09 AM
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Re: Trying not to lose my shirt with AK
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So you're saying the difference between the two is that in hand one i check because 2 to a flush shows and instead of a 2 you have a 6, putting out a possibility of a rare straight draw. Doesn't seem like that much of a difference. Am I wrong? Others agree? [/ QUOTE ] I would bet both, but yes the 2nd is easy and the 1st is marginal. The straight ain't that rare. And people play 8's more often than 2's. And the possible flushdraw is also a factor. 
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04-15-2005, 05:07 AM
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Re: Trying not to lose my shirt with AK
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[ QUOTE ] So you're saying the difference between the two is that in hand one i check because 2 to a flush shows and instead of a 2 you have a 6, putting out a possibility of a rare straight draw. Doesn't seem like that much of a difference. Am I wrong? Others agree? [/ QUOTE ] I would bet both, but yes the 2nd is easy and the 1st is marginal. The straight ain't that rare. And people play 8's more often than 2's. And the possible flushdraw is also a factor. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. If u bet the 1st hand be prepared to have it come back to u raised. the J, flush draw, and a gutshot could all be out there. If its not raised, there will be some callers hanging on for sure to the end (most of the time). 2nd hand bet that flop, bet the turn. U probably pick up the pot. Read the Overcards section of SSHE again, he describes it pretty well and goes into more detail of when to check and what flops to bet. But yes, the 1st hand is pretty draw heavy and will probably come back to u raised (most of the times because the flush draw) -- the 2nd hand u can probably pick up pretty easy, if u get raised on the Turn of the 2nd hand, Id fold then.
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04-15-2005, 05:15 AM
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Re: Trying not to lose my shirt with AK
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So you're saying the difference between the two is that in hand one i check because 2 to a flush shows and instead of a 2 you have a 6, putting out a possibility of a rare straight draw. Doesn't seem like that much of a difference. Am I wrong? Others agree? [/ QUOTE ] Well, in each hand how often do you think you have the best hand on the flop? How often do you think it will stay the best hand? If you are behind, how many outs to you give yourself? How likely is it that this flop hit at least 1 limper? I would bet the 2nd hand.
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#15
04-15-2005, 05:19 AM
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Re: Trying not to lose my shirt with AK
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Actually, it kind of is. It is very bad if he bets this spot every time. [/ QUOTE ] Every time? Sure someone might pick up a pattern, but assume this is the first situation like this at the table, is betting that bad?
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#17
04-15-2005, 05:38 AM
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Re: Trying not to lose my shirt with AK
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Well, how good do you think is hand is at this point? Sure, it was great preflop, but now we're out of position with A-high and tainted outs. What good comes from betting here? [/ QUOTE ] You're right. We'll only fold total garbage (like Q7). Sure we would like to fold these hands, but they're not many. All other reasonable hands have gut-shots at worst (and will be able to call).
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#18
04-15-2005, 05:51 AM
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Re: Trying not to lose my shirt with AK
Do you guys typically call the probable flop bet?
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04-15-2005, 05:56 AM
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Re: Trying not to lose my shirt with AK
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Do you guys typically call the probable flop bet? [/ QUOTE ] I just realised i have to put some more effort in learning how to play overs but yes, I usually call 1 bet. Getting ~10:1 I think that's fine.
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