Let's talk about river bets

[shant]

Would you feel bad about folding the river if you bet and your opponent raised?

Nevermind, just read your response. I think bet/fold is fine against a passive player.

[shant]

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If I'm wrong somebody help me out, what's calling here that makes up for the times that hero invests an extra bet and loses, or the times hero is bluffed off the best hand from a nearly unknown opponent?

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Qx, pocket pairs, Ax, 8x, etc.

If the player is unknown it's different, but if the read is the player is passive and has low river aggression, how often will that player bluff-raise the world's scariest river card?

[Womble]

A little observation. Any Ax will split the pot since your J kicker isnt in play

[Talex]

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Qx, pocket pairs, Ax, 8x, etc.

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Really? This is a terribly scary board against a preflop raiser, and a brutal river. The pots not huge, which is when I see people making the worst of the calls in desperation. Loose passive doesn't mean comatose in my book. Am I really that far off?

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If the player is unknown it's different, but if the read is the player is passive and has low river aggression, how often will that player bluff-raise the world's scariest river card?

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OP basically said the read is worthless, I don't want to stake this medium pot on a few hands read. Besides, the world's scariest river card is the perfect choice to bluff raise if the guy's got any bluff in him.

-Tim

[spoohunter]

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A little observation. Any Ax will split the pot since your J kicker isnt in play

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Can't believe you're the first to mention this.

[cold_cash]

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A little observation. Any Ax will split the pot since your J kicker isnt in play

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Can't believe you're the first to mention this.

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So how should this affect my decision, if at all?

[MrWookie47]

I think this should make you more inclined to check/call rather than bet because you stand to win less. However, if he's loose and passive enough, I'd still be inclined to bet here.

[DeathbySuckout]

This is an auto-bet for me.

[Talex]

I feel like an idiot for missing the split pot on Ax. Course it just fuels my argument for a check-call line.

-Tim

[Edit: I also keep thinking, but forgetting to say, that a passive opponent saves you bets on the end when you check by checking behind with hands that beat you. So check-call is a win win with either passive or aggressive opponents here.]

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This is an auto-bet for me.

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How come?