When is 25s profitable?

[TheBusiness]

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Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero?
SB and BB are over 40%vpip, they aren't going anywhere, neither are UTG or UTG+1

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I think you should three-bet.

[stinkypete]

go all in.

[Fortitude]

25s seems like quite a bit of a stretch here. I am interested as to where it starts getting close and when does it start getting clear cut? Q2s? K2s? What will you guys call with here? I think I'm looking for a suited 1 gapper and Kxs+ to call here. Thoughts?

[Hamlet]

Some of this discussion depends on what your opponents are calling with. Are 9-handed pots typical in this game? If they are, then your opponents are coming in with stuff like J3o and Q4o, and I suspect the call is not terrible. You're getting 8-1, you're suited, and you're on the button. That may be enough against what are essentially random hands.

If on the other hand, having 9 people in the pot is unusual in this game, I would expect to be facing more hands like 77, 89s, JTs, etc. In this case, all the callers are likely to hold hands that give you problems. Get out.

Of course, if you're in a game that typically has 9 people seeing the flop, you're going to make money hand over fist whether you play this hand or not.

[elindauer]

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If you knew there would be no raise behind you, it would probably be pretty close.

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Really?


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Hi Barron,

I did some rough math before posting and figured your odds of flopping a 4-flush, OESD, or 2-pair / fullhouse at about 5:1 against. You're getting 8:1 preflop if there's no raise and the blinds come along. You have a hand that can make big hands, unlike, say J6, Q3, and other truly garbage hands. You'll squeak some value out of one pair flops, gutshot flops, etc. You have position. Seems like a reasonable call if you know you're only going to have to pay 2 to see the flop.

Of course, this situation happens so rarely that it basically doesn't matter what you do. Choose on fun. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

my 2 cents.
Eric

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gamble. You know you want to.

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[HavanaBanana]

I am also running + on my PT 25s hands:
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PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: SuperHero is MP2 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">SuperHero raises</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (14.40 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, SuperHero calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, CO folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 3-bets</font>, SuperHero calls, MP3 calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (14.70 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SuperHero raises</font>, MP3 folds, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 3-bets</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">SuperHero caps</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

River: (26.70 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">SuperHero bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 29.70 BB

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ToT

[Tommy Angelo]

When the other guy has it.

[shmahappens]

I know I started this link, but Havana that is just terrible. I'm calling with 6 people (3 in for two bets) with the expectation that 2 more will come. You're raising after 3 limpers? That isn't even close to an example when this hand should be profitable, that is just tossing chips out the window.

[BeerMoney]

3-bet. This is a powerful hand that thrives on multiway action,AND you have position. Make the limpers pay for playing against you. You'd have to disconnect my mouse to prevent me from raising here.