88 3-bets a steal from the CO. SB cold call.

[orionfett]

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I don't see what raising accomplishes. It doesn't protect your hand, doesn't scare anyone away, doesn't tell you where you're at, and is pretty marginal in terms of value.

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I think the raise is perfectly valid. You do gain information by the raise, you can see strength in a 3 bet or a guy betting into you on the turn. Also, you gain the possibility of getting a free card on the turn. Betting out a flop of jj6 with trips isnt exactly a common strategy unless your known to slow play big hands. The middle man is who im afraid of trying to lure you in the pot. The less you pay to find out the better.

[BigEndian]

Thanks for the feedback Nate. No doubt about it, I felt dirty after this hand.

The turn was a blank. SB bet, CO called.

River was a blank. SB bet, CO folded.

End of story. Thanks to everyone else who responded. Next hand.

- Jim

[Trix]

Raising the flop looks slightly better to me as CO may decide to raise the turn when you just call the flop.

CO probably either has a J, 66 or high cards. He probably wont call the turn with high cards, so why not charge him on the flop instead of letting him see the turn for one bet ?

If SB 3bets a call and a raise, its also pretty realiable.

I agree with everything else if you just call the flop.

[Nate tha' Great]

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Raising the flop looks slightly better to me as CO may decide to raise the turn when you just call the flop.

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The fact that CO might raise the turn is exactly why I don't raise the flop.

[Stu Pidasso]

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Let's start with the flop because it's easy. The flop is a call IMO and I don't know that it's that close. You're closing the action, might well have the best hand ... and hell worst case scenario you'll spike an 8 now and then. I don't see what raising accomplishes. It doesn't protect your hand, doesn't scare anyone away, doesn't tell you where you're at, and is pretty marginal in terms of value.

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Flop:
SB bets, CO calls, Hero raises.

Turn:
SB checks, CO checks, Hero bets.....and now both your opponents have the opportunity to fold.

The advantage of the flop raise is that it sets up a senario up where you give both your opponents an opportunity to fold.

Stu

[Buck_65]

I haven't read what anyone else has posted yet, so this may be terrible advice; I would call the flop and if SB bets out again, I raise any non-ace/king/queen/ten turn card, and fold if one of those arrives. I put CO on big broadway cards but not an overpair. Who knows about SB, though.

[Buck_65]

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Flop:
SB bets, CO calls, Hero raises.

Turn:
SB checks, CO checks, Hero bets.....and now both your opponents have the opportunity to fold.

The advantage of the flop raise is that it sets up a senario up where you give both your opponents an opportunity to fold.

Stu

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I like this line better than the other line I recommend (below). Too bad we'll never know who had what.

[Nate tha' Great]

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The advantage of the flop raise is that it sets up a senario up where you give both your opponents an opportunity to fold.


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...or to check-raise.

[Stu Pidasso]

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...or to check-raise.

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Its precisely that threat(from the CO) which will cause the SB to fold overcards.

Stu