PP 100 NL Hand - Page 2

KeithF40 · #11 03-20-2005, 02:12 AM

Yeah when I play online I dont pay attention to disguising my plays at all and I play a very straight forward game anyway so I dont have to worry about that anyway. How come the blocking bet shouldnt bet smaller like a quarter to half the pot since you can just check and call probably spending the same amount of money with no risk of being raised and costing you more money especially if you plan on calling a small raise.

tbach24 · #12 03-20-2005, 02:15 AM

It probably could be. I think the bigger the pot, the smaller the bet. Obviously the smaller the pot, the bigger the bet. A lot depends on the player obviously as well.

KeithF40 · #13 03-20-2005, 02:27 AM

True. Tough thing online is that you hardly ever know the players.

swolfe · #14 03-20-2005, 02:44 AM

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I wasnt planning on check folding the river as I expected a smaller bet for some reason.

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his river bet wasn't that big in relation to the pot. it's about what your blocking bet should have been. i'd call that bet every time.

on the river you can take one of two lines if you think they may be bluffing, but you're not completely sure.

1) blocking bet, fold to a raise - a river raise is almost never a busted draw, especially at SSNL.

2) check, call any bet - check to induce a bluff. a busted draw will often bet out when checked to on the river. depending on the bet, it usually only needs to be a bluff a small percentage of the time for this line to be +EV.

deciding which one to use is tricky, i think, but generally i base it on the size of the pot. for a small pot, i'll check/call; for a big pot, i'd use a blocking bet.

hopefully some other posters will tell me if i've got anything wrong here...question: i know sklansky says that when you check to induce a bluff that you MUST call, but what if the bet amount is just completely outrageous, say 2x or 3x the pot? i guess you're still supposed to call, but it increases the percentage of time that the bet has to be a bluff in order for it to be +EV...hrm...

KeithF40 · #15 03-20-2005, 02:58 AM

You said youd call everytime. Do you mean that you would of called on the river instead of folding like I did or do you mean you would of called in the other players position everytime if I put in a blocking bet but if that is the case how do you know that because you dont know what cards he has.

tbach24 · #16 03-20-2005, 03:10 AM

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2) check, call any bet - check to induce a bluff. a busted draw will often bet out when checked to on the river. depending on the bet, it usually only needs to be a bluff a small percentage of the time for this line to be +EV.

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Do you really think he would min-raise on the flop with just a draw?

KeithF40 · #17 03-20-2005, 04:09 AM

He miniraised on the turn not the flop.

zaxx19 · #18 03-20-2005, 04:14 AM

) blocking bet, fold to a raise - a river raise is almost never a busted draw, especially at SSNL.

Muhahahah Muhahahah I should post some hands....

swolfe · #19 03-20-2005, 12:35 PM

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You said youd call everytime. Do you mean that you would of called on the river instead of folding like I did or do you mean you would of called in the other players position everytime if I put in a blocking bet but if that is the case how do you know that because you dont know what cards he has.

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i would have called the river bet if i had been in your spot. shrug.

KeithF40 · #20 03-20-2005, 03:17 PM

Why would you of called the bet in my position. He put in a bet of 3/5 the pot which definently looked like a value bet and the raise on the turn looked like he had something.