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#11
03-19-2005, 12:11 PM
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Re: Do you pros ever play crappy starting hands like this one
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if we can play backwards and think a river bet is worth it, then you must bet the turn. if you check the turn, the sb will never fold the 4 to the overcall. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] if you bet the turn, it may be correct to bet the river because if UTG calls, it may be difficult for the SB to overcall with a hand that beats yours. [/ QUOTE ] i never advocated betting the river if you checked the turn. your post implied that i did. 
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#12
03-19-2005, 12:38 PM
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Re: Do you pros ever play crappy starting hands like this one
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[ QUOTE ] if we can play backwards and think a river bet is worth it, then you must bet the turn. if you check the turn, the sb will never fold the 4 to the overcall. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] if you bet the turn, it may be correct to bet the river because if UTG calls, it may be difficult for the SB to overcall with a hand that beats yours. [/ QUOTE ] i never advocated betting the river if you checked the turn. your post implied that i did. [/ QUOTE ] i guess it reads that way but i was not trying to imply thats what you said. just pointing it out. your post was good all i said was that you lose some equity by checking the turn if you plan to bet the river (the general "you" not TStone). but checking the turn also gives you the protection from a c'r since its probable that other guy will check behind given the action. but then do you call a river bet from the sb? there is a possibility you actually do have the best hand, although low. pot is kept relatively small but if you're hand is best on the river 16.5% of the time (getting 7:1 on your call assuming the sb bets), then you gotta call. i think this is a more interesting set of decisions that it at first appears. when a decision is close for me on the turn in this marginal kind of spot, its a toss up between betting and checking...tough call but i'd still lean towards betting if the sb will fold the 4 to the overcall on the river and checking if that equity doesn't exist. so in this hand a check is probably better for the reasons you say. -Barron
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#13
03-19-2005, 05:04 PM
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Re: Do you pros ever play crappy starting hands like this one
I think things were fine THROUGH the turn (i.e. betting the turn) but needed to be followed through with a bet on the river. While you might lose short-term, I believe long-term this is the best play given these exact conditions.
Barron Vangor Toth www.BarronVangorToth.com
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#14
03-19-2005, 05:07 PM
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Re: Do you pros ever play crappy starting hands like this one
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While you might lose short-term, I believe long-term this is the best play given these exact conditions. [/ QUOTE ] what the hell does this mean? this sounds like fancy, uneducated talk for "ev"
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#15
03-19-2005, 05:12 PM
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Re: Do you pros ever play crappy starting hands like this one
An argument can be made for just calling the flop and planning to check-raise the turn. If you just call, you will get paid off more when you hit your straight, set or 2 pair and you don't want to knock anyone out, especially if an Ace comes.
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