POLL: playing out of racks VS not playing out of racks in LHE

[tylerdurden]

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I was dealing, and management decreed, "Starting at midnight tonight, no more racks on the table."

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Where do you deal?

[bigfishead]

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I was dealing, and management decreed, "Starting at midnight tonight, no more racks on the table."

I was told that this would speed up the game. I was very skeptical.

I was there that night. When the clock struck 12, all racks were removed.

The difference in game speed was STAGGERING. I was a huge skeptic going in, but the proof was right before your eyes--it had a HUGE impact. I couldn't believe the difference.

I can't make this point strongly enough--it was not a slight difference, or a tiny difference. It was a quantum leap.

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TYVM....as a dealer and a player I say the same. TOO FREAKING SLOW!! Rack'em up when you leave.

Hell I have been know to buy 1500 white chips in a 4-8 omaha/8 game to build castles with since I play fewer hand in Omaha/8 than in holdem and I could care less about watching clueless omaha players when I'm not involded. And I promise you I dont slow down the game when it's my turn to act.

[Tom Bayes]

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I was dealing, and management decreed, "Starting at midnight tonight, no more racks on the table."

I was told that this would speed up the game. I was very skeptical.

I was there that night. When the clock struck 12, all racks were removed.

The difference in game speed was STAGGERING. I was a huge skeptic going in, but the proof was right before your eyes--it had a HUGE impact. I couldn't believe the difference.

I can't make this point strongly enough--it was not a slight difference, or a tiny difference. It was a quantum leap.

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TYVM....as a dealer and a player I say the same. TOO FREAKING SLOW!! Rack'em up when you leave.

Hell I have been know to buy 1500 white chips in a 4-8 omaha/8 game to build castles with since I play fewer hand in Omaha/8 than in holdem and I could care less about watching clueless omaha players when I'm not involded. And I promise you I dont slow down the game when it's my turn to act.

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In addition to the speed of play factor (which alone is enough reason to get the damn racks off the table), I was told by a dealer once the reason racks/packs of cigarettes/etc. aren't allowed on the table is because a cheater could hide a desirable card (say an ace) under the rack and switch it with one of his cards at the appropriate moment. I think this is why a bad beat jackpot could be invalidated if a rack is on the table.

Maybe this is BS, but it's what I heard.

[Randy_Refeld]

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I think that this is an urban legend. I used to play at Greektown all the time and I heard about several things that invalidate jackpots:
- Racks on the Table
- Napkins on the Table
- Talking about the jackpot

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Talking about the jackpot may invalidate jackpots most places. As far as the racks napkins etc, those will invalidate a jackpot if there is a card under them so the hand was dealt with only 51 cards. I think some places tell players it will invalidate a jackpot so they won't argue about taking stuff off the table.

RR

[Sponger15SB]

I thought playing out of racks was stupid until I saw a guy last night put his chips parallel to the felt in like 9 unorganized lines. Not only was it really hard for him to "stack" it, but he would only pick up like 2 at a time to throw out ($4/8 table).

It was horrible.

[KC50]

Well looks like you're out voted. And rightfully so.

Contrary to your belief, racks do slow the game down, period.

Even if players checks are in a disarray, any player (even a drunk) can play from a mucked pile of checks faster than playing from a rack.

Then counting the time it takes to put them in a rack after winning pots seems to distract them to the point they think their first priority is to rack them all before acting on the next hand.

I have played in card rooms that allow players to play from racks and it always slows the game down at some point.

Most card rooms today (including the one I floor at) do not allow playing from racks, which is nice.

Kind Regards,

KC

[Randy_Refeld]

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I say the same. TOO FREAKING SLOW!! Rack'em up when you leave.

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My general belief is small games should be no racks on the table. In 15-30 and above I think the players are aware enough of what is going on to be allowed to have racks on the tabel if they wish (the ones at that level that play out of a rack still keep some chips available to bet with and won't count them out one at a time).

RR

[Terry]

The games do go slower when people are playing out racks. You personally might play faster out of a rack, but the majority of people do not ... and it is not even close.

Some places will invalidate a jackpot if there were racks on the table – they make a perfect place to hide a held out card or two until just the right flop. Yes, it does happen. People holding out an Ace was probably the biggest factor in the disappearance of Razz from poker rooms, and a lot of those Aces were hidden under chip racks.

In games where money on the table plays, angle shooters will stash some cash under the rack and only bring it out if they have the nuts, otherwise they go “all-in” when the rack gets empty.

Hiding cards and/or cash under the rack is the reason for requiring one end of the rack to be propped up on the rail ... it is then possible to see underneath the rack.

Casinos don’t just make up procedures indiscriminately ... but they often don’t want to tell the customers (or the employees) exactly why those procedures exist.

[Tom Bayes]

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I thought playing out of racks was stupid until I saw a guy last night put his chips parallel to the felt in like 9 unorganized lines. Not only was it really hard for him to "stack" it, but he would only pick up like 2 at a time to throw out ($4/8 table).

It was horrible.

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Well, some people will be annoying retards in any circumstance (racks/no racks/whatever). Let me guess, he was one of those geniuses that can't master how much he can bet at a fixed limit table-always throwing out $8 on the flop and $4 on the turn no matter how many dealers try to explain the structure.

The people I love the best are the ones who never know when the action is on them, finally the dealer says "$8 to you, sir" and the guy just throws in $8, oblivious to the idea that he could also FOLD or RAISE.

[Derek in NYC]

Racks are fine as long as the player maintans a working stack to keep the action going.