To Internet Players: PLAY IN CASINOS!!!

[Mobed]

Hard for me to break even live. I live 4hr from AC so I get hit for about 20$ in tolls, 50 dollar room (per night), food, and if I bring the wife "forget about it!" I play live for fun not for the money, I play PP for money not for fun! If i lived closer to a card room it might be diffrent.

This is of course lower limit games.

[daryn]

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also thinking about BJ counting...

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this is even more of a grind than poker.

[toss]

And the swings can be ridiculous.

[Blackjack]

Hahahahah Blackjack Counting.

Wait.. Hold it.

Hahahahaha Blackjack counting.

The BR you need is SOOOOO high due to the huge swings you will experience in blackjack. It's not as easy as HEY I know how to count. When you're sitting at a live table with cards flying at you a mile a minute, it's easy to [censored] up.

Say you're implementing a 1-5 bet spread, you easily need at least 2000 bets of your maximum bet to reduce your risk of ruin.

At 100 hands an hour, you'd need to be betting at least 100$ a hand... like a 40-200 spread to be making anything even remotely worth it.

Forget about it kid. It's not as easy as Bringing Down The House says it is.

Blackjack

[deacsoft]

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If i lived closer to a card room it might be diffrent.


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Forget it. It takes me seven minutes from garage to parking spot for me to get to my local B&amp;M. It's still massive -EV as far as casino vs on-line. I love playing live. It is tons of fun, but nearly impossible to grind out decent dollars in low stakes games regularly. Of course, because I play for a living my point of view maybe skewed here. I've only been there twice in the last 3-4 months. Living closer doesn't change anything (at least for me).

[octop]

The swings are larger in BJ
I still do it occasionally and once you get it down you rarely [censored] up

[RollaJ]

As deacsoft said......
Live is usually a lot of fun, but there is no way you can make as much money live as online.
Higher rake
Commute
Lodging
Tips
Only one table at a time
No Bonii

[frank_iii]

Try on a cruise ship. I played $5/$10 last week and was amazed. We probably *averaged* 7 to the flop and 4 or 5 at showdown.

Plus, you have the added benefit of knowing that the cards aren't fixed. Coming back this weekend to party $2/$4 and having sets and TPTK repeatedly beaten by runner runner full house and runner runner inside straights gets old. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

The only problem was the smoke. Gah, the smoke.

[bonanz]

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Plus, you have the added benefit of knowing that the cards aren't fixed.

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lol

[OldLearner]

1) 25 hands/hr (if your lucky)

- Dealer must shuffle, collect bets, split pots, deal, wake up old Mr. Brown who sat there for 30 secs without realizing it was his turn to play again

2) Table Selection

- Put your name on the list. Wait an hour to get in the game full of rocks waiting to move to the table full of fish.
- Get seated to the left of the guy who caps any 2 blind. He also likes a good cigar after his Garlic ribs/Caesar salad and believes you are hard of hearing when the truth is you are ignoring him and trying hard not to breathe too much.

3) Opportunity to associate with some people you normally wouldn't give the time of day to.

- Like my cigar smoking friend from 2) or some of the wealthy dope-peddlars who used to frequent many of the games I played in

4) Multi-tabling

- No

And the list goes on.

I played B&amp;M (Clubs, casinos) for 20 years. For those who have never played B&amp;M, it may be worth the experience.

Personally, except for Vegas, I don't care if I ever play in one again.

Online,

1) 100+ hands/hr (6 max)

- I do believe that B&amp;M games are softer than online, but this more than makes up for that.

2) Table Selection

- there are always 20 games with an open seat (at the limits I play)
- annoying people can be nullified by turning their chat off or by changing tables, plus you don't have to worry that your going to put their head through a wall and go to jail.

3) Playing with the cigar smoking, garlic rib/caesar salad eater doesn't bother me that much online

4) Multi-tabling

- Hands/hr + multi-tabling. No brainer. We make money by making good decisions. More decisions we get to make = more money.

I'll often sit down at home to play in the evening and find that I don't really have my "A" game tonite. Since I'm at home, I can go flop on the couch, go flop on my wife, take the dog for a walk, play StarCraft.

If I've driven to the casino and waited for an hour to get on a table, I will feel compelled to play even though I may not have my "A" game. I may have to sit next to someone who, given the choice, I would never sit down beside, yet I will spend 3 or 4 hours in this person's company.

Don't get me wrong. There are a lot of really nice people that I have played live with. Unfortunately, there are a LOT of degenerates in the gambling community and I really don't miss having to associate with those types.

Also, as far as "reading" people goes, that is completely overrated in live games. If you play live with me, I am feeding you reverse tells all the time. The only reliable reads are the same ones you have online. Betting patterns, history of hands showed, etc..

IMHO, if you play poker to make money, online is the ONLY place to play.