My first post - please advise with this hand

[lorinda]

Nothing has changed

The amount of information we have about our opponents hand has changed.

Lori

[jenson]

Thanks to everyone for your thoughts. It is really helpful and I hope to be able to contribute to this awesome forum going forward. I consider this and the Harrington book to be the two best resources for NL Holdem around.

Some thoughts on your responses:

1. "Id raise more preflop (raise enough so there is a chance he folds...he wont fold for 80 more no matter what)"

I agree. The bet size should have been larger. I see that now in retrospect. However, at the very least my raise should have shown strength on my part.

2. "I would have expect AA/KK to reraise you preflop so I think the odds of an over pair is low".

Good point. That’s why it’s so hard to reconcile his post flop all-in.

3. "your bet looks like a weak continuation bet"

lol. I agree with you. In retrospect, I think I should have bet in the range of 250 - 330 (pot). Harrington would have been disappointed with the ½ pot size bet.

4. "expected to see 77-1010 maybe even 33-55."

I just can't see that. Why raise 3.5 times the BB UTG so early in the tourney with only a medium to small pair?

5. "You aren't playing Jacks for set value here. You raised because you figured to have the best hand pre-flop. Nothing has changed."

You are right that I thought I had the best hand pre-flop. However, he went all-in after I re-raised is pre-flop bet and raised on the flop. I've shown a lot of strength and he goes all-in. I think I'm beat here.


In conclusion, if I had the hand to do over again I would:
1. Raise more preflop
2. Bet more on the flop
3. If he STILL goes all-in I think I have to fold, although I'd have a lot less chips than how I played it the first time.

Thanks again for all your input. This forum rocks!

jenson

[curtains]

Its important to almost always raise an amount preflop where your opponent at least has a chance to fold. Making a raise early in a tournament that will be called 100% of the time is usually wrong.

2nd important thing that you need to remember is that most players are idiots. Just because it seems weird to you to raise 3.5x to 5x the BB with a pocketpair UTG, doesnt mean that people won't do this. Whatever you do, don't give your opponents too much credit in low limit events unless they have proven themselves first.

[lorinda]

2nd important thing that you need to remember is that most players are idiots

This needs repeating.

Play simple and effective against 90% of players and don't sit down against the other 10%

Lori

[curtains]

Its important to almost always raise an amount preflop where your opponent at least has a chance to fold. Making a raise early in a tournament that will be called 100% of the time is usually wrong.


btw I may have been unclear. Sometimes youll make a raise that will obviously be called because someone is pot committed, but then you are doing it based on the value of your hand.

What I mean is that if 2 people limp for 15, don't raise to 45, because they arent going to both fold. Or if someone raises to 100 and the blinds were 25-50, don't reraise to 200, because again they aren't folding. This holds true even with big hands like AA.

[curtains]

How come I am a giant idiot at formatting my posts? They always come out so yucky looking. Someone tell me the secrets please!!

[1C5]

Just leave spaces in the posts.

Like this and then it looks better and is easy to read.

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[curtains]

Thanks I fixed them!

[1C5]

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[ZeeJustin]

Since he didn't reraise preflop, there's no reason to put him on AA KK or QQ, so I would call this all-in on the flop.