Is it time to lay AA down to the turn raise? - Page 2

BusterStacks · #11 02-22-2005, 05:53 AM

Ok then I guess you decided to give him 2 more bb when you knew you were beat. This sounds like it could be a leak.

The-Matador · #12 02-22-2005, 05:57 AM

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Ok then I guess you decided to give him 2 more bb when you knew you were beat. This sounds like it could be a leak.

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Um yeah.

I'm sorry Buster, but you give such deplorable strategy advice I can't really take anything you say seriously. You clearly hate me too much to have an intelligent discussion on any hand I post, so maybe just move on.

Also, I hope you're not still cheating by asking for advice from friends while playing online. One player to a hand and all that ...

private joker · #13 02-22-2005, 06:04 AM

I don't think he has a spade draw or a made boat, so your 6 outs are clean (4 tens, 2 aces) -- he could already have a made straight, which means a T only chops it. But more than likely he has a J that he decided to wait for the turn to raise. It's annoying, but the turn is a clear call with 6 pretty good outs.

On the river, it comes down to the read. I don't think there's a huge difference between calling and folding, really. You're getting 9:1 and your hand is probably good like 5-10% of the time, so it's close to neutral in my mind.

emil3000 · #14 02-22-2005, 06:06 AM

Pff. I agree you're very likely to be beat. Id still call down. I don't fold AA like ever. Also you have maybe one out in the 10, and 2 ace outs, tho they might not be in the deck. I admire people that fold this, it probably saves them some money. I wouldn't however.

sthief09 · #15 02-22-2005, 06:06 AM

there's a lot of semibluffing potential on the board. you also have 6 outs if behind. pretty standard call down. nice hand

The-Matador · #16 02-22-2005, 06:07 AM

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I don't think he has a spade draw or a made boat, so your 6 outs are clean (4 tens, 2 aces) -- he could already have a made straight, which means a T only chops it. But more than likely he has a J that he decided to wait for the turn to raise. It's annoying, but the turn is a clear call with 6 pretty good outs.

On the river, it comes down to the read. I don't think there's a huge difference between calling and folding, really. You're getting 9:1 and your hand is probably good like 5-10% of the time, so it's close to neutral in my mind.

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Thank you, that was an excellent response and very much in line with my own thinking. The turn sort of had to be called, I think, but the river was a close one.

I'd call down again if I had it to do over.

Villian's holding in white below:

 QQ

sthief09 · #17 02-22-2005, 06:08 AM

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Go away.

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as long as he/she is being reasonable, he/she is a very good asset to the site.

The-Matador · #18 02-22-2005, 06:09 AM

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Go away.

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as long as he/she is being reasonable, he/she is a very good asset to the site.

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Thanks. I don't know if I can stay reasonable for much longer though, as my prescriptions have almost run out ...

private joker · #19 02-22-2005, 06:12 AM

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Villian's holding in white below:

 QQ 

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My response to these results in white below:

I hope you made a note that this jackstick doesn't 3-bet preflop with a monster like QQ -- probably saved you 2 small bets by just cold-calling

The-Matador · #20 02-22-2005, 06:16 AM

I did, Private. More in white below.

 My read on him changed a lot based on this hand. I am trying to discern whether he is more passive than I gave him credit for, whether he has FPS, or whether he has enormous respect for my raises. I think it is FPS. I have 3 other hands where he's done FPS things like limp reraised with AA and slowplayed bottom set.