Interesting AJ hand - Page 2

Entity · #11 02-18-2005, 10:10 PM

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I'm check calling the 1st 2 streets. At this point the pot will be 6.75 BB. After he bets the river the pot will be 7.75 BB.

Because he is a 2+2er he should be checking AK/AQ behind. If he bets those hands he should be bitch slapped. Betting these hands might be correct if you are playing 3rd level, he knows that I know that I think he is rational type [censored]. You have to think he will show those hands down in this spot.

Anyway he is playing AA-TT after he bets the river. There are 22 ways he can have those hands. We can only beat TT. So it is 16:6 that we are beat. We are getting 7.75:1 from the pot. This is an easy call.

Check/call-check/call-check/call.

The problem with betting is that a 2p2er will recognize this line as top pair and will raise our ass with overpairs. With top pair jacks, I like to check/call no matter what. With top pair aces, I like the cc/cc/bet line more because we will get calls from KK-TT (21 combos) and we have less fear of a raise from AK (just 8 combos).

Brad

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Brad,

I think a 2+2er or otherwise aggressive opponent will frequently call a river bet with AK, and occasionally with AQ. They will very frequently call with TT -- even though all of these are crying calls, they only need to call with 17 of the hands, so them calling with 57% of their hands for this to show a small profit.

Shillx · #12 02-18-2005, 10:14 PM

Ok we lose 1 BB from AA-JJ (16 combos).
We win 1 BB from AK and TT (18 combos).
Sometimes he will have AQ which helps us.

Yeah you are right that betting is better if he will call with AK and AQ. I know he will call with TT here. Betting is not better though if he raises and we call. We have to be able to ditch it to a raise in this spot. So betting makes sense if we can fold to a raise and he will call with AK. You win.

Brad

Redd · #13 02-18-2005, 11:40 PM

Everyone, come quick! Morpheus is fighting Neo!

ArturiusX · #14 02-18-2005, 11:59 PM

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Everyone, come quick! Morpheus is fighting Neo!

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*watches everyone click 'deal me out' on their 4 party windows and click on this thread*

JoshuaD · #15 02-19-2005, 02:21 AM

Can I get 10 bux if I can guess what Villian had? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

pointcount · #16 02-19-2005, 02:24 AM

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Everyone, come quick! Morpheus is fighting Neo!

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call of the day

pointcount · #17 02-19-2005, 02:39 AM

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Ok we lose 1 BB from AA-JJ (16 combos).

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forgive me for my ignorance but can someone explain to me how AA-JJ (4 PP) gives 16 combos? Aren't there 6 ways of making every pocket pair?

Ac Ah
Ac As
Ac Ad

Ah As
Ah Ad

As Ad

I have a funny feeling i'm completely off track...

milesdyson · #18 02-19-2005, 02:46 AM

Note that hero has an A and a J...

3 (AA)
6 (KK)
6 (QQ)
1 (JJ)

pointcount · #19 02-19-2005, 02:56 AM

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Note that hero has an A and a J...

3 (AA)
6 (KK)
6 (QQ)
1 (JJ)

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there ya go. Cheers [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

hate · #20 02-19-2005, 03:45 AM

Shut up you jackass, give me 10 bux from the 10 you stole from me