How to play AA when short stacked - Page 2

Komodo · #11 02-13-2005, 08:45 AM

"This is a trivial push. There are three factors at work here:

- You're under the gun, making it look as though you may be desperate, and thus getting someone else to play with lesser cards.
- Your all-in raise is no more than a standard raise at this point, so people may come along with more substandard hands than if you had more chips.
- The blinds represent half your stack, and you'd be more than happy to just take those down. "

I find it highly unlikely that the small or big blind is going to risk half their stack this close to money, especially since you dont have to play this hand. The big stack migth play if he has AK or a smaller pocket pair. Blinds are also coming around quickly so the big stack and the sitting out player will have many good chances to take you out later. This is the absolute best hand you will ever get in this tournament, so I wouldnt be happy with just stealing the blinds and survive a few rounds to get 10place or so.

Damian UK · #12 02-13-2005, 10:30 AM

thanks all for the comments

seeing AA I went WOW and pushed all in - all but the BB called with J10o and yes a J and 10 hit the board.....

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afterwards I was convinced I did the right thing - It was just the nagging doubt that if they had all folded it just kept me alive for another round as I get the blinds - when I would need to push again in another 4 hands, thats why I asked whether it was better to just flat call to get a limper and/or reraiser/stealer in to make more cash for me to survive maybe 2 rounds!! LOL

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cheers all

Damian

Komodo · #13 02-13-2005, 02:01 PM

Bad luck indeed.
Everything went according to plan and he thougth you were bluffing or a doing a desperate all-in with anything.
Im not sure what the heck he was thinking of. JTo is a 45% underdog to any hand with an overcard and a 35-40% underdog to 2 overcards. Is he willing to risk half his stack this close to money at these odds?
There are very bad poker players out there!!!
It would have been tough to fold AA even after the flop if you had just called or "miniraised"

Pat Southern · #14 02-13-2005, 03:40 PM

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Im not sure what the heck he was thinking of. JTo is a 45% underdog to any hand with an overcard and a 35-40% underdog to 2 overcards. Is he willing to risk half his stack this close to money at these odds?
There are very bad poker players out there!!!

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This is actually an easy call. He was getting over 2-1 on his call, and against an UTG push that only has 3BBs, you'll win way more than 1/3 of the time, and his *correct* wide range of calling hands here is what makes a push so neccessary in the first place.

dogmeat · #15 02-13-2005, 04:21 PM

If you only get the blinds, you need another quality hand within six more hands...........tough spot. You will probably get a call if you go all in, and I'd rather take those aces heads up.

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adanthar · #16 02-13-2005, 05:59 PM

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This is actually an easy call. He was getting over 2-1 on his call, and against an UTG push that only has 3BBs, you'll win way more than 1/3 of the time, and his *correct* wide range of calling hands here is what makes a push so neccessary in the first place.

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In a satellite that pays 10 with 11 left this is the easiest fold in the history of satellites and it's exactly these type of odds based calls that make the early Steps so damn easy.

Damian UK · #17 02-14-2005, 06:33 PM

cheers all for the good advice - I was suprised with the BB call given that half his stack would disappear if he lost.... [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

anyhoo - GREAT experience at wading through a 100+ field to NEARLY get there - getting better at this lark [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

mainly due to being here and reading the forum [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

thanks all

Damian

hurlyburly · #18 02-14-2005, 06:39 PM

Just call. Everyone hates that. Could get multiple callers or several calls and a push for some more dead money. Check the flop with the intention of CR all-in. At this stage draws are not a factor.

docknet · #19 02-14-2005, 07:04 PM

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I'd say go all-in. The big stack will probaby try and take a shot at knocking you out with anything that seems reasonable

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Or, if you're playing online, anything at all, reasonable or unreasonable. Many, Many players with big stacks seem to think it is their responsibility to call the short stack's allin, no matter what they have. It always amazes me when a big stack calls the small stack with 49o, usually doubling the guy up.

docknet · #20 02-14-2005, 07:11 PM

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I would just call and hope to get as many callers as possible, and go all-in later whatever the flop or turn is.

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This really depends on how short-stacked you are. If somebody is being really aggressive and stealing a lot pots, I would call, hide in the weeds and try to get a raise or two before pushing allin.