Harrington On Hold'Em: Continuation & Probe bets in SNGs

[lacky]

the post was about continuation bets on a flop that missed you, not on calling with marginally correct odds on a draw.

The situation he is talking about is:

You raise to 80 from the button with AQs, BB completes for 50 more. Flop is 10 6 4 rainbow, you got none of it, BB checks. If you bet that is a continuation bet.

If you check every time here it is increadably weak-tight and plain wrong. You should make a continuation bet here at least 80% of the time and will take the pot right then the huge majority of the time.

Steve

[lorinda]

I would agree that betting is the way to go here.

I guess my definition of weak-tight is a little less weak than yours [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Lori

[lacky]

lol, I tried to keep it simple. If I made it:

You raise to 80 from the button with AQs, BB completes for 50 more. Flop is 10 6 4 rainbow, you got none of it, BB bets out for 80, you raise to 160

I would just start another argument

Steve

[lorinda]

I learn more from arguing than from agreeing [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Lori

[parappa]

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I learn more from arguing than from agreeing [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Lori

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No you don't. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[lacky]

I'm too tired to agrue, I'm going to bed. Get me started earlier next time I'm having a hard time biting my tongue. Then we can talk about how bad I think the whole conserve chips at all costs in the early rounds idea is.

Steve

[ChrisV]

It totally depends on the circumstances.

I think in general it's a bad idea to bet a small amount to see if your opponent will fold. People do this all the time against me and I raise them off their hands constantly. You're better off making a decision about whether to bet a normal amount or just check.

[AA suited]

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lol, I tried to keep it simple. If I made it:

You raise to 80 from the button with AQs, BB completes for 50 more. Flop is 10 6 4 rainbow, you got none of it, BB bets out for 80, you raise to 160

I would just start another argument

Steve

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when you start off w/800 chips, putting in 240 (80+160) is ALOT.

that would mean you're betting on the turn too?

usually i would fold to the 1/2pot bet. if i raise preflop, and he bets out on a ragged rainbow flop then i put him on either a mid/low pair or has pocket pair.

if you raise, you'll probably see the turn and river for free. but if you dont catch that Q or A, then you just lost 30% of your stack if he has a pair (240/800=30%).

[AA suited]

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It totally depends on the circumstances.

I think in general it's a bad idea to bet a small amount to see if your opponent will fold. People do this all the time against me and I raise them off their hands constantly. You're better off making a decision about whether to bet a normal amount or just check.

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so you as the bb checks on the rainbow ragged flop, the button bets 2/3 pot, and you raise him? how much would you raise him by?

and do you find that you usually end up with more chips this way than just folding to his bet?

[DrPhysic]

I would agree that the continuation bet commits too much of your stack when you have completely missed the flop.

I definitely think there is a place however for the probe bet.
Similar example:
You raise to 80 from the button with AQs, BB completes for 50 more. Flop is K Q 4 rainbow. You got some of it, but maybe not enough.

1:BB bets out for 80, you raise to 160, or
2:BB checks, you bet 80,

In either case as a probe bet. If you get re-raised, he probably has a K. Deal with it, gamble or fold, but you have gained valuable information at a reasonable price.

Doc