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Old 02-01-2005, 02:05 PM
GrunchCan GrunchCan is offline
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Default Re: was there an opportunity to get overcalls anywhere?

I guess I can see how re-raising should be out of the question

I really don't. I mean, MP3 could have AJs. In fact, I'd put that as his most likely holding - his action thru the whole hand matches it perfectly if he puts Hero on a flush draw or similar.

So again, why no river reraise?
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Old 02-01-2005, 04:26 PM
elindauer elindauer is offline
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Default Re: was there an opportunity to get overcalls anywhere?

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Eric,

MP1 3-bet preflop. MP3 called two cold.

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Ah, quite right. Let me reassess... no you still need to check and call. While calling 3 cold perhaps doesn't mean as much (although it should mean more!) as 3-betting, I still can't put him on T8. I think the odds of, say JTs have increased. There are 3 ways he can have this, IF he will call with it, which many won't. There are 3 ways he can have jacks. You're offering 2:1 on an even money shot by betting. 3-betting is still crazy.

Note that checking is also better against missed draws like KQd, not that this is a terribly likely holding for any but the laggiest of players.


Good luck.
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Old 02-01-2005, 05:33 PM
profpeebody profpeebody is offline
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Default Re: was there an opportunity to get overcalls anywhere?

I would put in a re-raise on the river. I think you are ahead, as mentioned in other replies he could have over pair, j10 or AJ.

I have a question for you, Derek. Why do you cap the turn? Do you think you are ahead on the turn? If so why does the river slow you down?
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Old 02-01-2005, 05:46 PM
Derek in NYC Derek in NYC is offline
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Default Re: was there an opportunity to get overcalls anywhere?

On the turn I cap for three reasons: (1) I am ahead of every hand except JJ and an unlikely Q9, (2) there is a flush draw out there, so I should be value raising in case somebody is hanging out, and (3) I need to punish AA-QQ if they are in the hand.

I finish the turn after the cap and I still think I am ahead, so I bet the river. A raise on the river has me seriously worried though. I have fairly aggressive post flop AF numbers (around 3.0), but a raise after a 4th street cap always gets me to slow down. Whereas I will happily cap 4th street on many hands short of the nuts, particularly when there is a draw.

So after the river raise, Im hating it. In fact, I fully expected to lose the pot to JJ.
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