Hey Cyrus, Why So Quiet on the Election?

[Bez]

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The people who think that a country under military occupation and foreign political domination is a "democracy" are the ones who wonder why printing more money won't make everyone rich.

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This makes no sense, just a statement out of the blue.

[BCPVP]

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How Do We Fight Against The MSM's Iraqi Election Propaganda?

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Wanna know how?
Renounce your citizenship of whatever country you belong to.
Go look for Zarqawi and join up with him.
Have fun dodging our boy's .50 cal bullets as they whiz by your head.

[Utah]

200,000 goons and that is all the violence they could muster to stop the elections? Either they are the lamest group of goons ever or they dont really exist.

But hey, you did believe the CBS memos were real so I guess you will believe anything.

[Wake up CALL]

Alger is so desperate for misinformation now he seeks out a rag that calls itself a newspaper for support of his positions.

I say kill more Arab terrorists and let us read about it in the frigging Sunday Herald. LOL


Please Alger retract you tabloid news folly and read what the good General really said Here.

Alger are you so gullible to believe half the crap you read and quote from unreliable online sources? I've seen others compliment you on providing sources for your outlandish lies but I'm pretty sure they never bother to research your bullsh*tt sources for reliability or accuracy.

[Utah]

I guess millions or Iraqis are dumb guys too. I am guessing you thought the 50 million who voted for Bush were dumb guys as well.

hmmmm....everyone is dumb but you and the liberal whack jobs?

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So the "march toward democracy" is either a propaganda line or has been greeted by a 15 to 20-fold increase in the number of Iraqis willing to risk their lives to wipe out the U.S.-created government.

Zarqawi's goons. Yeah, right.

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Zarqawi's goons, Saddam's ex-security goons, foreign goons, the jihadist crackpots, Saddam's ex-torturer's and military men and their favorites in the Sunni triangle: whether it's 10,000 or 40,000 or 200,000 of these creeps, they with their totalitarian views and barbarian tactics are not going to defeat the brave Iraqi people and the U.S. Army and Marines. No matter how much you might like for them to.

A higher percentage of the Iraqi populace appears to have voted in this election, than the percentage of the U.S. populace that voted in our most recent Presidential election.

Guess the average Iraqi must somehow disagree with you, Chris. The insurgency is not a majority popular uprising but rather it is a venomous last gasp by violent dead-enders and religious crackpot fanatics. That poisonous exhalation will go on tormentedly until it slowly becomes a death rattle, but you must realize that it is not the breath of the average Iraqi.

The average Iraqi spoke today. Guess you'd rather not believe the message.

[vulturesrow]

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All the media keeps talking about is how happy the Iraqis are, how high turnout was, and how "freedom" has spread to Iraq. I had to turn off CNN because they kept focusing on the so-called "voters" and barely mentioned the resistance movements at all. Where are the freedom fighters today? Are their voices silenced because some American puppets cast a few ballots?

I can't believe the Iraqis are buying into this "democracy" bullshit. They have to know that the Americans don't want them to have power, because they know that Bush is in this for the oil, and now that he finally has it he's not going to let it go. This election is a charade. The fact is that the Iraqis have suffered during the past two years more than any people on earth at the hands of the American gestapo. Maybe they're afraid and felt they had to vote. That's the only way I can explain it to myself.

OR--I just thought of this--maybe they're smiling because they're using the Americans own game to defeat them. They're voting in candidates who they know will widen the resistance, take the fight to the streets, and finally drive the occupying forces out of their country. Perhaps they're smiling because--right under the American's noses--they're planting the seeds of a bigger and more effective resistance movement. Wouldn't that be fitting? Use *'s own tools against them?

We can only pray that this is the case. Becuase if it's not--and if the Iraq vote is seen as a success that spread "freedom"--the world is screwed. Bush's inaugural speech left little doubt that he has other countries on his list to spread "freedom" to. They will be his next targets, and the world will burn because of it.

Let's hope the resistance got voted in, or if not, they only increase the fight and take down those who betrayed their country today by voting in this fraud election.

All I hear on TV is, "freedom, freedom, freedom, success, bush was right, things are going to well, freedom, success, democracy, success, freedom..."

How do we fight against that? How do we show Americans that in the grander scheme of things this election is meaningless & Iraq is still a disaster, and at the same time detach W's name from being synonymous with "freedom and democracy"?

How Do We Fight Against The MSM's Iraqi Election Propaganda?

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I hope you choke on all that bile. Anyone that believes in democracy should be celebrating the huge step forward the Iraqis took today.

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The people who think that a country under military occupation and foreign political domination is a "democracy" are the ones who wonder why printing more money won't make everyone rich.

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So, I huess you think the transition to democracy should be painless and instant?

Never has been easy, and might well never be easy. Freedom and nascent democracy have always required a serious strugle against the forces of tyranny. That's what is happening in Iraq. Give it a while.

[sirio11]

Maybe you should tell us how invading countries has helped democracy through history.

[lastchance]

Food, water, security, and electricity = basic infrastructure --> prosperity --> freedom.

Nation-building is a gradual process, and democracy and freedom are never the main concern of a third-world or conquered country.

Elections can be important symbolically, and that is always important in a situation like this. However, you must get basic infrastructure up and running again to have any chance of success.

Nation-building is a gradual process, and while there are important situations along the way, if elections are the best news you can bring to the people of an occupied third-world country, you are in big trouble.

Meeting these basic needs should be and have been our first objective, not trying to bring freedom or democracy.

All of that said, this is one of the best short-term morale and momentum builders. You must use this to get basic infrastructure down.

Ideals are ideals. No one cares about another person's ideals. You don't convince someone with ideals. You must convince them through tangible things, things that really matter. And to a person who struggles to survive, the only thing that really matters is what they need to survive.

I am absolutely disgusted by the behavior of both the liberals and the conservatives on this forum, and especially the liberals.

Those who want the Iraqi people not to have food on their plate just because it would be an embarassment to that which they hate.