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#12
01-23-2005, 03:39 PM
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Re: Book advice needed
Obviously the first edition was riddled with problems (hence the need for the second edition and the apologies from the author, who was man enough to own up to said mistakes, which he deserves mad credit for).
However, I still don't agree with some the advice from the second edition, but since his review was more comprehensive than my own would be, I'll simply link to Mason's review of the 2nd edition: Mason's Review If you don't want to wade through all of those reviews, here is the section that I think covers everything that I likewise had a problem with: * Jones continues to stress that when you hold a good hand to get as many bets in on the flop as possible. He doesn’t seem to understand that in loose low limit games where the pots frequently become relatively large that alternate strategies which have the potential to knock players out on a later street are often far superior. Also, by not playing fast on the flop you may save bets if the scare card does come or be able to collect extra double size bets on fourth street. Another inconsistency is that on one hand the author wants to get as many bets as possible in on the flop to punish the draws but he also recommends that you “bet or raise your draws for value.” Well you can’t have it both ways, and Jones doesn’t seem to recognize the difference. A final area where this version is still weak has to do with play on the turn and the river. Play on these streets is much more complex that the author seems to realize and correct strategy should often be impacted on what happened earlier in the hand. This “linkage” is an idea that doesn’t seem to ever be considered. * Barron Vangor Toth www.BarronVangorToth.com 
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#14
01-24-2005, 03:13 PM
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Re: Book advice needed
No hatred pal but that book is too loose for me. Just looking for an answer to my question. Thanks for the info on the other books.
The book doesn't advocate "loose" play. It advocates playing loosely or tightly depending on the size of the pot. For instance, say you were playing online and you were in the 100 millionth hand of InternetPoker.com. They are adding $25,000 to the pot for this hand only, and the stakes are $1-$2. How loosely would you play? Hopefully you'd play any hand before the flop, no matter how many times the pot was raised... and you'd play nearly every hand all the way to the river. When you are betting $1 and $2 to win $25,000, it's worth it to stay around on the longest of longshots. That's pretty damn loose. Now, if the pot had only $3 in it, you'd play far more tightly. You should even fold some hands that seem fairly good like A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]... or perhaps T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] on a Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] flop (depending on the action, of course). You would never fold those hands with $25,000 in the pot. When the pot is somewhere in between... $10, $20, or $40, for instance... you have to tailor your loose/tight play accordingly. Small Stakes Hold 'em is a book designed to help you learn to do that correctly. As a side effect, some of the play I advise for partiularly large pots... say a $30 or $40 pot in our $1-$2 game... seems, to some, like idiot's play. It seems way too loose. But it's not... the pot size determines your looseness. Just think how much looser still you'd play if there were $25,000 in the pot just waiting for you to catch perfect-perfect.
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#15
01-24-2005, 03:28 PM
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Re: Book advice needed
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Now instead of being "weak-tight" all Ed Miller's acolytes are "strong-broke". But at least they have fun posting all their losing plays on 2+2. [/ QUOTE ] So, which author do you suggest to make more $/hand at the low limit games, say anything up to and including 20/40. I know that Miller is making me way more money than Jones, Krieger or Ciaffone ever did.
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