hand against stoxtrader - Page 2

stoxtrader · #1 01-16-2005, 06:21 PM

I could certainly have chose a better game. I was kind of learning on the fly - My NL experience is limited to a few tournaments, which I know play much differently than a cash game.

you guys are giving me too much credit.

turnipmonster · #2 01-16-2005, 06:27 PM

my open from the button pretty much means I don't have 92o. I don't think stox needs AA-QQ to reraise me here. 4 handed, it's pretty much an auto openraise on the button.

also, neither of us are very deep and I think that is a big factor, or was for me at the time.

ML4L · #3 01-16-2005, 06:58 PM

Hey turnip,

If he's a limit player (albeit a good one), this is a good spot for the call-to-bluff. Chances are decent that he has KK/QQ. He will check the turn after you call that ragged flop unless he has AK/AA. And, unless there is some image consideration that we don't know about, you should be able to buy it with half-pot on the turn and river.

Hope it worked out.

Mike

Garland · #4 01-16-2005, 07:43 PM

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If he's a limit player (albeit a good one), this is a good spot for the call-to-bluff. Chances are decent that he has KK/QQ. He will check the turn after you call that ragged flop unless he has AK/AA. And, unless there is some image consideration that we don't know about, you should be able to buy it with half-pot on the turn and river.

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If you're going for the "call on the flop to steal on the turn" move, I'm really hoping it doesn't need to go to the river!

Garland

ML4L · #5 01-16-2005, 07:48 PM

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If he's a limit player (albeit a good one), this is a good spot for the call-to-bluff. Chances are decent that he has KK/QQ. He will check the turn after you call that ragged flop unless he has AK/AA. And, unless there is some image consideration that we don't know about, you should be able to buy it with half-pot on the turn and river.

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If you're going for the "call on the flop to steal on the turn" move, I'm really hoping it doesn't need to go to the river!

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Up against a limit player, I hope he calls the turn. 'Cause he ain't callin' the river.

ML4L

PS No offense, stox; you are an excellent limit player. But, I know when I transitioned from limit to NL, I would call a big bet on the turn and fold to a bigger one on the river all the time...

Lawrence Ng · #6 01-16-2005, 08:34 PM

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If he's a limit player (albeit a good one), this is a good spot for the call-to-bluff. Chances are decent that he has KK/QQ. He will check the turn after you call that ragged flop unless he has AK/AA. And, unless there is some image consideration that we don't know about, you should be able to buy it with half-pot on the turn and river.

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Zigzactly! If you know your Stox will very likely only re-raise with a bigger pair and I would put him on a pocket pair too, you can slow play this hand like you have an Ace and trap him on the turn. If he has a pocket pair, he won't put you on one and given you just flat called his raise he might put you on AK or AQ or AJ.

Lawrence

turnipmonster · #7 01-17-2005, 12:03 AM

I folded, no fireworks this time. raising was pretty much out of the question, as if he calls I have to be done with the hand and I think it's better to see if he blinks on the turn. any hand he would have folded to a flop raise he will also fold to a turn pot bet, and there are no scare cards.

in retrospect, I don't think folding is as bad as I initially thought, although for 2/3 pot I think I should have made him work for it a bit more. the flop bet does seem weak in retrospect, as I think he would give me a little rope if he had really hit.

the deciding factor for me was a lot of reraising hands of his have an ace, but I still think I should have considered the situation and his likely holding a little more carefully. ni han stox [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. would you have fired barrel two on the turn? I would have probably folded to a reasonable bet, and might have raised a 1/2 pot or less bet if I had called the flop. anything less than 1/2 pot on the turn I see as a blocking bet.

--turnipmonster

stoxtrader · #8 01-17-2005, 12:10 AM

that was the last money going into the hand from me, unless I saw a ten on the turn. No way do i have the nuts to fire again. The hardest decision for me was how much to bet.

I had TT.

lapoker17 · #9 01-17-2005, 12:45 AM

That preflop reraise was a limit players 3 bet, huh.

Interesting.

scrub · #10 01-18-2005, 02:37 AM

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stoxtrader is a very good player for those that don't know. anyways:

5-5 NL, 4 handed or so. I (750) open for 15 with hooks on the button SB folds and stox (600) makes it 45 straight in the BB, I call. flop is A 9 rag. stox deliberates for a long time and bets 60 into a $95 pot. my only read is he is very uncertain. your move?

--turnipmonster

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I would probably have call/bluffed, but I really like call/bluffing posters.

scrub