Bet into with TPTK

[adanthar]

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Good. Don't you want the flush draw to call the all in on the flop? If you wait until the turn, he gets off easy.

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True. I just mean that protecting my hand against a draw doesn't do me that much good on the flop, especially when I have the king.

Another reason not to go all in on the flop is because that lets AJ off easy.

[jcm4ccc]

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Let me be a little clearer here:

-On the flop, I put the bettor on an ace (AQ would play this way, for example) or a flush draw. The draw didn't worry me too much because I had the K and would be able to take a free card on the turn if it hit.



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I'm even more confused now. You have a good hand but not a great hand. You are ahead on the flop (at least by your read on the betting). You need to make your opponent pay to see the next card.

Suppose you do go all-in the flop and your opponent calls you with a flush draw. You're still a 2:1 favorite.

So what would you do if the third suited card did hit on the turn? How would you play your hand then?

[rci97]

I'm not ripping the way you played the hand. It's just at the level that I play at (10's), people will play with all sorts of hands and call with all kinds of draws. A hand like this, I'm not going to out think myself. If I feel like I've got the best hand on that flop and facing a bet for 1/3 of my stack, I'm pushing. TPTK is a nice hand, but a flush could have hit on the turn or a weaker ace could have caught his J or Q. AND you gave the flush draw the ability to fold to the push on the turn. Facing a set you're dead anyway. Just push the flop, IMHO.

[jcm4ccc]

Here's another way to think about it. Let's assume, as you do, that your opponent is working on a flush draw. He has just made a 200 chip bet on the flop. What does your opponent want you to do?

His favorite scenario: you fold
His second favorite scenario: you call his bet
His least favorite scenario: you go all-in

His least favorite scenario should be your favorite scenario.

[adanthar]

If the third club hits the turn, I check behind. His bet on a non/club river then determines where I stand. However, it's 4.2:1 against hitting the turn.

A much bigger problem than the flush potentially hitting on the turn is AQ-AT, an 8:1 dog, being able to fold if I go all in on the flop.

Edit: At the $10 level, I push the flop in a microsecond.

[rachelwxm]

On the flop, I put him on a weak ace like AQ or draw. For draw, sometimes check raise all in would be a better option since he could representing an ace here in case you have KK-JJ.

I don't see how you could rule out weak ace on his turn action. If he bet strong with weak ace and get called, he would slow down a little fear you could have him outkicked.

I would definitely make a big raise on turn or even push here. If he catch two pair or draw could be a disaster and it does not smell like a trap either. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[adanthar]

The guy immediately called and turned over pretty much the worst case scenario, 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. A 9 did hit on the river.

I'm still convinced I played the hand correctly; if he has an ace, this play works far better, and as it was I did a far better job protecting my hand against a huge draw. However, if I put him squarely on the flush draw, as has been pointed out this isn't so good.

Final bump.

[modaddy]

How do you all tend to play this situation if the turn makes a a 3-flush instead?

[Crosby]

I would shove on the flop. People who limp AJo or even Axs and call a raise normally don't fold here. The problem with waiting until the turn to raise is you can't fold if the flush hits on the turn. With a larger stack your play would make more sense to me, but here I'd be willing to gamble with a flush draw on the flop.