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#12
12-01-2004, 03:21 PM
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Re: Difficult turn against live one
Even assuming it's capped, you only need to be drawing live about half the time to call. I'd guess that you're dead around 1/3 of the time, so I think seeing the river is correct.
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#13
12-01-2004, 05:30 PM
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Re: Difficult turn against live one
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So.... You muck and he showed JT, and that took that pot? (That was only 2 pair right?) I can't imagine a player like the one you described c/r the turn with anything that can't beat that. Did she have to show? [/ QUOTE ] No, He made that move w/ top pair (W/ underpair on board)-J high flush draw that got there. Like I told you, it's a good game. 4-8 w/ $3 chips. I personally make sure that it is very smoky though--you should probably stay online. She didn't show, I don't ask for hands when I have been out played--I just snivel silently to myself [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img].
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#14
12-01-2004, 11:38 PM
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Re: Difficult turn against live one
me and my poor eyesight again, I thought it said TJo and not TJc, I really need a new monitor [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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#15
12-02-2004, 12:29 AM
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Re: Difficult turn against live one
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She didn't show, I don't ask for hands when I have been out played--I just snivel silently to myself [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]. [/ QUOTE ] You didn't get outplayed. You got the money in preflop with the best hand. Then he flopped a miracle. Top pair, gutshot straight flush draw. Your "mistake" was underestimating your outs, but you were still a dog. He had to jam the pot with that, and you couldn't cold-call when SB gave you reason to think you were drawing dead. Who exactly do you think outplayed you here?
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#16
12-02-2004, 12:34 AM
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Re: Difficult turn against live one
He can't not call this turn against this kind of player. IF the SB is full, so be it, but when you're getting twice the overlay you need to draw to a nut flush (and thats with 7 outs) a call is mandatory. The SB, even this kind of player, won't be full more than 50% of the time here, a call is profitable, and is a necessity.
lf
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#17
12-02-2004, 12:43 AM
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Re: Difficult turn against live one
Six outs if SB has an eight.
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#18
12-02-2004, 02:31 AM
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Re: Difficult turn against live one
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Board on Turn (8c7cTh)8d [/ QUOTE ] ok, lets count, maybe I'm wrong. At this point there are 45 unseen cards, as we can safely assume that the SB has an 8 I think. That leaves Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Looks like 8. It only gets reduced to 7 if the SB kicker is one of those ranks, which is possible but cannot be assumed. I have no idea where you came up with 6...what am I missing? Given he has 7, we're talking 38:7 or 5.4:1, w/ and he's getting 11.5:1 on his call, maybe I'm missing something... lf
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#19
12-02-2004, 11:47 AM
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Re: Difficult turn against live one
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[ QUOTE ] Board on Turn (8c7cTh)8d [/ QUOTE ] Hero: AcKc UTG: JcTc SB: As8h Hero's outs: Qc 6c 5c 4c 3c 2c
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#20
12-02-2004, 11:50 AM
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Re: Difficult turn against live one
Had UTG flipped his hand over, then you are right on, but he didn't. When Hero was faced with the decision he had no idea that UTG had JTc, how could he? We aren't talking all hands known math, we're talking in the heat of battle math, and 8 maybe 7 is the only number he had to work with...i'm done.
lf
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