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Old 11-15-2004, 12:59 PM
pgec311 pgec311 is offline
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Default Re: My Foxwoods Main Event Demise

Not sure how you got 6000 in that pot, looks more like around 4500, in which case calling an 1800 button raise (around 2.5 to 1, instead of 3.5 to 1), with 97 out of postition ain't the best.

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Old 11-15-2004, 01:06 PM
ToledoTommy ToledoTommy is offline
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Default Re: My Foxwoods Main Event Demise

I really don't see any way around this. I like to play AK very aggressive pre-flop to try and pick the pot up right then and there. I have terrible luck with AK and AQ, they almost scare me when I see them. Making a bigger pre-flop bet might have worked or maybe there was no way around this one.
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Old 11-15-2004, 01:32 PM
HiatusOver HiatusOver is offline
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Default Re: My Foxwoods Main Event Demise

I thought when it said 4 calls...there were 4 callers, not that "seat 4 calls" my mistake
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Old 11-15-2004, 02:10 PM
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Default Re: My Foxwoods Main Event Demise

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i don't think it's too bad really, you want to pick up the pot there- and you ran into some trash that hit a homerun

you were obviously looking to push out a flush draw and played it a little too fast- but you look like a genius of the dumbass calls with ax s

if you raise and he reraise what are you going to do then fold 2 pair with top kicker? if you had taken that line then you will have almost generated the odds for ax to call you.

tough break..

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In response to your point about what happens if you bet the pot and are reraised: If you are reraised, you at least have the option of folding and are no worse off than if you moved all-in and he called. If I made a 12bb reraise on the flop with AK, was called by someone out of position, and the board came K77, folding to an all-in reraise on the flop would not be out of the question. What could the flop reraiser possibly have that you beat? Is he really going to call a rereaise preflop with KQ and then reraise you all-in with a K77 board with a huge pot? The fact that it would be a hard laydown to make means that it is even more likely that your opponent has the goods becuase he knows how hard it would be for you to fold. For the same reason, he would probably not be semi-bluffing a club draw.

I think that if you are reraised all-in, you are at best tied with another AK. Since the guy called a huge bet preflop, my biggest concern would be that he has AA or KK. Getting away from this hand would have been very difficult, but not impossible.
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Old 11-15-2004, 02:11 PM
drewjustdrew drewjustdrew is offline
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Default Re: My Foxwoods Main Event Demise

I have heard that Lyle likes to play very fast early in order to either go big or go home. This is because he prefers to play the cash games. Only explanation I can think of for his play unless our Hero is known to be very predictable and/or bluffable. Maybe if stacks were much deeper...
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Old 11-15-2004, 02:26 PM
otnemem otnemem is offline
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I don't think I was playing too predictably, but I guess it would be hard to make that call since I wasn't a spectator of my play. I didn't show down too many hands, though, so it would have been hard to tell if I was making predictable raises.
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Old 11-15-2004, 03:49 PM
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Default Re: My Foxwoods Main Event Demise

Seems funny that the owner/founder of the WPT would play in one of his own events. It would be like Benny Binion playing in the WSOP. But maybe he did, for all I know.
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Old 11-15-2004, 04:00 PM
otnemem otnemem is offline
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Default Re: My Foxwoods Main Event Demise

I should add that a few hands earlier, almost the same thing happened. I believe, though this could be wrong, that I was on the button again. He opens for $600, I raise to $2500 with 9-9, he calls. Flop: J-10-4 or similar. He checks. I bet out between $15 and $2500, can't remember now. He calls. Turn is a rag, he checks, I check. River rag, he checks, I check. Showdown - he shows 10-7 clubs, wins with a pair of tens.
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Old 11-15-2004, 04:24 PM
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Do you have a conspiracy theory? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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