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Old 08-29-2004, 06:40 PM
cferejohn cferejohn is offline
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Default Re: Hand against ZeeJustin in PStars $500...

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I think the button raise could mean any number of things, personally I think zee has AJ and put you on a steal prelfop that you continued on the flop.

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Second, the chances of Zee just smooth calling the re-raise PF with AJ are pretty slim. What flop could you feel comfortable hitting with that hand besides a straight or trips?


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Well, given that my re-raise was fairly small, I think AJ was possible preflop. A9 and maybe A8 are possible as well (so is AT, which of course just beat me).

I think if I had bet out 600-800 on the turn, the hand would have played much easier.
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Old 08-29-2004, 06:41 PM
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Default Re: Hand against ZeeJustin in PStars $500...

Don't you think that he'll raise the flop w/ a set here? Its very connected and there is a 4 flush. Or perhaps he isn't raising it because its HU? What are the stack sizes btw? Is it 2,500 1,500 1,000 etc...
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Old 08-29-2004, 06:43 PM
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Default Re: Hand against ZeeJustin in PStars $500...

I believe your thinking is way off.

Of course Zee could raise from the button with anything, but he's not calling that flop bet with AJ. If he really put the guy on a steal, then he re-raises pre-flop. He is risking a lot betting that turn without a T because you know the guy in the blinds is checking that turn with a straight.

It is possible that Zee stole one here, but I believe he was ahead far more often than not.
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Old 08-29-2004, 06:45 PM
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Default Re: Hand against ZeeJustin in PStars $500...

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Don't you think that he'll raise the flop w/ a set here? Its very connected and there is a 4 flush. Or perhaps he isn't raising it because its HU? What are the stack sizes btw? Is it 2,500 1,500 1,000 etc...

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Oh, sorry. We each have roughly starting stacks of 2500. I agree that a set might have raised the flop, though if he thinks I'm re-raising with a real hand (and I think he does), it's hard to imagine that flop hit me unless I had 99, or maybe 88. I really put him either a set or a hand with a T in it after the flop call.
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Old 08-29-2004, 07:31 PM
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Blinds 10/20. I have KK in the SB. Zeejustin raises from the button to 60. I re-raise to 150. BB folds. ZeeJustin calls.

Flop is 789. I think there were two of a suit, but I don't remember. I bet 300. He calls. Turn is an offsuit J. I check. He bets 600. I fold.

How did I do? ZeeJustin, if you want to say what you had, cool. If not, also cool.

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Don't re-raise the minumum pre-flop. That is retarded.
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Old 08-29-2004, 07:35 PM
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Blinds 10/20. I have KK in the SB. Zeejustin raises from the button to 60. I re-raise to 150. BB folds. ZeeJustin calls.

Flop is 789. I think there were two of a suit, but I don't remember. I bet 300. He calls. Turn is an offsuit J. I check. He bets 600. I fold.

How did I do? ZeeJustin, if you want to say what you had, cool. If not, also cool.

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Don't re-raise the minumum pre-flop. That is retarded.

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Re-read the post please. Re-raising the minimum would have been a raise to 100. 150 is, umm, more than that. That said, I realize that raise was a bit small.
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Old 08-29-2004, 08:31 PM
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Default Re: Hand against ZeeJustin in PStars $500...

what you say might be true for weak players or a small buy in game, which I usually play in, but against good players folding is really the correct move I think once you have checked the turn.

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Old 08-29-2004, 08:42 PM
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Default Re: Hand against ZeeJustin in PStars $500...

checking the turn puts you in an awful spot here. I would have raised a bit more preflop (to about 200). On the flop I would have bet a little less. The more I play the less enamored I am of potting it on the flop. If you bet about 200 on the flop, you can bet about 400 on the turn. If he calls both those bets you know you are in trouble. By betting the pot on the flop you tie yourself to either a big big turn bet, or giving up on the hand while you still could be way way ahead. Not a fun hand, but I like to make em call two bets before I decide I can safely check fold.
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Old 08-29-2004, 09:54 PM
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Default Re: Hand against ZeeJustin in PStars $500...

the only thing I would say you beat is QQ or AK of the flush draw, or total stone cold bluff. I have never played with Z so I have no clue of his playing style. but theres a very good chance he has a set or str8 or AA if he is slow playing it.

It may be one of those times that you don't tell anyone that you laydown a monster [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img].

by the way I didn't read the whole thread yet.
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Old 08-29-2004, 10:00 PM
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Default Well, he seems to be putting your chips to good use...

10th with 31 left!
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