Kerry, Iraq, Saddam & Bin Laden - it's all a mess

[TenPercenter]

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I couldnt watch the first one because I refuse to put evil Real on my computer.

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http://www.free-codecs.com/download/...lternative.htm


There's one for Quicktime too. These use Media Player Classic, and are very, very fast. I even use WMP Classic for AVI's and MPG if I don't need to queue up serveral videos. Flawless Real and Quicktime video, without all the hood ornaments.

Ten

[riverflush]

bump...

I think Kerry's offensive vs. the Swift Boat Vets is going to doom him, he's opening the door to a whole area where he really looks bad, politically:

Why put the spotlight on this:




http://www.opensecrets.org/

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And here's why I take the position that Kerry is dooming his campaign with this issue:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5797120/

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/0...n/30barone.htm

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/0...ion/30john.htm

http://www.investors.com/editorial/issues.asp?v=8/23

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/op...ists/27161.htm

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editor...l?id=110005483


By making it an issue, Kerry is forcing the mainstream media to pick up and run with this story...which I believe would have dismissed and ignored it otherwise. Now, the old footage of Kerry speaking of Vietnam atrocities will be dusted off and shown and the issue will get turned up a notch. If he actually has trumped up his 4 months in battle, it's going to bite him in the ass.

[nicky g]

The Swift Boat guys have raised all this hooha, paid for all those ads etc with just $160,000?

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nicky g

I've been following all this stuff really closely (The 527's) and soft money...

The Swift Boat Vet's first ad that ran in select U.S. states had an "ad buy" of $550,000. They are currently running a second ad that cost somewhat less to run. Most of their publicity has come via online viewings of the ads.

That $158,000 number was as of 8/23 - however donations to this 527 have skyrocketed in the past 2 weeks. Published reports have estimated that the SBVT have taken in $1,764,000 in the past 2 weeks...so they are on the move.

[nothumb]

Well. I'm at work so I can't watch either video, and my internet at home is poo-poo right now. But here's my two cents on lying -

1. The ABC piece on Osama and Saddam has long been known to be garbage, as others have said. Bush himself admitted they had no evidence of Saddam being involved in 9/11 or in having given any tangible material aid to Kid Q. All sorts of people could at any time pass off weapons or information to unstable fanatics - hell, we do it often - but fewer are willing to accept the risks. As a more-or-less secular politician interested in maintaining his grip on Iraq and possibly expanding into the rest of the Arab world, Saddam was not going to give serious aid to Osama. That's speculation, but it's backed up by the facts- he had opportunities and didn't take them.

2. I didn't catch the date on the Kerry stance on the war, but he has claimed to have been under the sway of false intelligence at some time or another. That whole thing was going down around January 04 I believe. When are these clips taken from? It's probably in here somewhere but I missed it.

FWIW I think Bush's reversals have been more striking in several cases (which should surprise nobody) but I have already decided not to vote for either candidate this year. I hope Bush loses but I seriously doubt that he will.

NT

[Chris Alger]

So your argument based on the ABC video is that ABC had good evidence three years ago that the Senate Intelligence Committee ("no collaborative relationship") couldn't obtain? This has to be what you're saying, doesn't it? What do you think of the map showing bin Laden shooting off -- well, what, exactly -- from Iraq to all corners of the Middle East, while the voiceover acknowledges that intelligence experts "can only speculate" about the substance of any contact bin Laden had with Saddam? It's hard to imagine anything sillier. Okay, the part about "harboring" the "terrorist" Abu Abbas but failing to mention it was after he was pardoned (and harbored) by Israel, that's sillier.

As for Kerry's waffling, I don't see what why the pro-war people are concerned about this guy. He's never said that the war with Iraq was mistaken or wrong, he's reaffirmed his vote for the war resolution, he insists on maintaining the occupation, and so forth. The only difference I can discern between Kerry and Bush is that Kerry insists he would have used his war-making authority "more effectively," whatever that means.

[Rooster71]

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I loathe the U.S.'s role as the world's police officer.

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That's the truth. I couldn't agree with you more.