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Old 08-15-2004, 01:56 AM
Navers Navers is offline
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Default Re: Waiting until turn to raise KK.

you'll have the best hand with that flop more often than you think. Don't wait till the turn. People won't care about flop raises in low-limit poker that much, so try to give them crappy odds to call but remember, you want them to call with those crappy odds.
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Old 08-15-2004, 02:29 AM
Blarg Blarg is offline
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Default Re: Waiting until turn to raise KK.

If you mean the kings, we agree. That's what I'm saying.

We were also addressing the 10's, though. Miller is trying to get across that you don't lose too much equity not raising with a pair of 10's on a flop with a coordinated board that looks like nobody is going to fold on even if you raise. And so sometimes it's worth surrendering that equity to gain something else.

Waiting till the turn with an easily dominated hand like pocket 10's can have some advantages that outweigh the loss of pot equity that comes with not raising the flop with those 10's.

People will very likely check to you on the turn if you raise the flop. Ed emphasizes that this is a huge loss if you hit well, which basically probably means just getting another 10 and tripping up, and just get a single big bet in instead of being able to raise with your trips.

But you can also gain information which can be valuable(perhaps you find out someone has made their flush or straight and you can abandon your hand cheaply), or alternatively you can sometimes be in a situation where you are poised for a check raise or simply a raise which makes drawing hands or smaller pairs have to pay two big bets to call, with worse odds. Since you haven't bloated the pot with a flop raise earlier, they may have much worse odds to call with their draws or lower pairs than they would have if you had raised the flop.

If their call of a raise on the turn is a mistake, you make money when they do. If they recognize their call as a mistake and fold, your turn raise narrowed the field more than a flop raise would have.

So with a lesser hand, putting yourself in a position to raise can be worth the small loss of not raising the flop. With a bigger hand, though, you give up too much pot equity.

And in low limit games where everybody plays any Ace for any amount in any position, you really have to crank the bets up with a premium hand like KK to drive out the slackers calling with Ace-nothing before they hit that ace and kill your hand.
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