No free cards!

[Al_Capone_Junior]

Calling third is marginal but I might do it if all my cards were live.

Betting fourth without trips is not high on my list here. I would take the free card.

al

[Dynasty]

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Betting fourth without trips is not high on my list here. I would take the free card.

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Aren't you more likely to be giving the free card?

[timmer]

8's even if the best hand is such a big dog against this crowd your bet has absolutly no + ev. a free card has infinity more.

timmer

[Dynasty]

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8's even if the best hand is such a big dog against this crowd your bet has absolutly no + ev. a free card has infinity more.

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Let me guess. You simply made that up and have nothing to back it up.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=436983
pokenum -mc 500000 -7s 8d 5c 8h 3h - 3s 4s qs 7c - kh 6c 6d 2d - ad 6h 9d 5d - ah jd ks 2c - 6s td 7h 5s
7-card Stud Hi: 500000 sampled outcomes
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
5c 8d 8h 3h 113621 22.72 386373 77.27 6 0.00 0.227
Qs 4s 3s 7c 107974 21.59 392023 78.40 3 0.00 0.216
6c 6d 2d Kh 57151 11.43 442849 88.57 0 0.00 0.114
Ad 9d 5d 6h 73933 14.79 426023 85.20 44 0.01 0.148
Ks 2c Jd Ah 83453 16.69 416541 83.31 6 0.00 0.167
6s 5s Td 7h 63818 12.76 436141 87.23 41 0.01 0.128

Given that everybody checked, I think I'm being rather generous with the hands I've given these guys. There's another pair with an overcard King, two three-flushes with at least one overcard to 8's, and a couple of three-straights.

[Al_Capone_Junior]

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Aren't you more likely to be giving the free card?


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perhaps, but I think you'll want to fold fifth far more often than you'll want to bet again, thus I prefer to check and see what comes up. I just think it's really marginal at all, and it's unlikely many or any will fold 4th, thus I'd just check and see what happened.

al

[Al_Capone_Junior]

Your twodimes analysis looks reasonable and does suggest that a bet is certainly far from 0 EV. Given this data I will flip flop a bit and say that betting out is OK here.

al

[Dynasty]

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Your twodimes analysis looks reasonable and does suggest that a bet is certainly far from 0 EV. Given this data I will flip flop a bit and say that betting out is OK here.

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You'll really like the #s of two players fold.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=437707
pokenum -mc 500000 -7s 8d 5c 8h 3h - kh 6c 6d 2d - ad 6h 9d 5d - ah jd ks 2c
7-card Stud Hi: 500000 sampled outcomes
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
5c 8d 8h 3h 182759 36.55 317212 63.44 29 0.01 0.366
6c 6d 2d Kh 114275 22.86 385720 77.14 5 0.00 0.229
Ad 9d 5d 6h 99189 19.84 400779 80.16 32 0.01 0.198
Ks 2c Jd Ah 103739 20.75 396251 79.25 10 0.00 0.207

Is it really hard to believe that two players will fold after everybody checks?

I think three players may even fold.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=437709
pokenum -mc 500000 -7s 8d 5c 8h 3h - kh 6c 6d 2d - ad 6h 9d 5d
7-card Stud Hi: 500000 sampled outcomes
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
5c 8d 8h 3h 217176 43.44 282809 56.56 15 0.00 0.434
6c 6d 2d Kh 157756 31.55 342234 68.45 10 0.00 0.316
Ad 9d 5d 6h 125043 25.01 374932 74.99 25 0.01 0.250

[nef]

Anyway, I was called in two places. I don't think I would have called a bet from most of these guys, but once it was checked to me it was very high probability that my hand was best. Thanks for the analysis all.

[BeerMoney]

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$0.50 ante, $1 bring-in, $3/$6 stud



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What do you guys think of this structure? This is what partypoker is offering at this limit.

The ante is low, but so is the bring in. Would you try and see one on fourth with marginal hands since the bring is low?

[Michael Emery]

The bring-in and ante are not low. Actually this game is structured almost exactly like $15-$30 with a $5 bring-in and a $2 ante. So as for your question about limping with marginal hands the answer is no in most cases. Realize that even though it only costs a buck to limp that buck is still 1/3 of a bet. A game with a 10% ante is in most cases considered average, notice here that even though its only 50 cents thats 16%.

Mike Emery