What do The Fish Really Think When You Go Off on Them?

[Pokergod]

No, that one moment of glory is not worth the long term loss, but that wasn't the point of the post. I'm not sure why I was calling. I have no good explanation. Call it a moment of weakness, call it stupidity (it was), call it whatever you want.

My point is my feeling afterwards, as the fish. I did not feel bad. I knew it was horrible and any play like that is a long term LOOOOOOOOOOOSER, but at that moment, when he was berating me, I felt wonderful.

It's just another argument on why a good player should not complain about suckouts. The fish don't feel worse, you may get them thinking in the right direction, and you don't get the money lost back. So, just don't cry about the beats. Good players can see you got beat by a bad caller, you can see it, the fish don't care, and that is that.

-PG

[paland]

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Is that one moment of glory as the fish worth the long run loss?

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What long term loss? He did it that time and that win alone will cover the next ten times he does it in the next year. He already won the lucky hand. Do you think that there are gremlins that will make sure he loses some money later to make up for it? The statement you made is a standard poker groupie statement made by those who want everyone to think that they play "correctly" every time and never play a bad hand. I'm willing to bet that you have never won a tournament with over 100 people in it.

[RPatterson]

Bad players always think whatever they did was correct because they won. Even if it was calling all-in with a flush draw without the right drawing odds. If they hit it, it was good. They are too stupid to grasp EV.

And I'm sure they get excited when they make someone mad. They are just so good they make the other players mad, in their own mind.

[blackaces13]

Excellent response. I agree, the original poster can take solace and revel in his bad beat because he "knows" its bad. Any attack on his game is not taken to heart.

Certain other poor players may stop enjoying the game that they are playing for fun anyway because of the hostility and leave earlier than they otherwise would have.

[Gally327]

PALAND-
Get off the kids nuts. Seriously, If you don't get the point he was trying to make then you are either an a$$ or you are an a$$. You pick. I think he was trying to say its not worth starting to play like that on a normal basis because you will lose in the long term and the "glory" of drawing out on people occasionaly is not worth the money. I know that you are a great pro and a WPT champion, a WSOP bracelet holder(15 to be exact) But don't put people down we are all here to learn.
And yes I do realize thr irony that I said dont put people down and I am getting on your case. I just want to show you that it doesn't feel good to do it. I personally like your usual posts but this one youre just being a dick. Get off your high horse becuase no matter how good you think you are there is always someone who thinks they are better.
"Respect though...you gotta earn it...so lets play playa."
Ryan

[RydenStoompala]

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basically berates me like I have caught myself berating bad players in the past

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So now you know. Giving someone a good, loud poker lesson accomplishes several things: 1) gets the fish out of the game so you can play with more rocks 2) tells the rocks you're tilting 3) teaches the poor fish nothing because he/she is usually too horrified to be listening.

[paland]

Yeah, your right. Sorry about the blather Reef. I was having a bad day.

[Pokergod]

Yes, and this was another point of my post. I have been the berater in the past and I will not do it any longer. It was a crutch and weakness in my own game that will no longer be there. I see now that the only reason I was commenting negatively on other's play was to somehow make myself feel better through trying to make them feel bad, which it did not do anyway.

I just wanted to pass this on to the rest of you, because I know I am not the only one who has said a snide comment or two when he or she has been sucked out on. Take from my experience what you will, but I think I made a significant step forward from playing that one statistically disastrous hand.

-PG

[Rokstar]

I find that when I'm sucked out on it's best to scream your insults and obscenities at the computer screen rather than typing them out for the world to see. You get the therapeutic value of venting, but without the possibility of all the fish at the table leaving or changing their play. It's win-win. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I don't play much non-cyberspace poker though. In a live game you'd probably just have to either suck it up or take a quick "restroom break" to get out all your frustration in a blaze of Yosemite Sam-esque glory.

[toots]

I've played long enough to run into some losing streaks, and/or spend a lot of time steaming.

What I don't get is the need to berate someone for beating you. I mean, that's part and parcel of playing at low limits, and the thing that makes the game good (lots of people chasing a lot of trash) is the same thing that makes these suckouts frequent.

When I've gotten sucked out on, I do occasionally get upset. The upset falls into several categories:

1) Upset at myself for not having a better read on the other guy, if I didn't realize I was beat when the miracle river came up

2) Upset at my luck

3) Upset at me for getting too invested in a hand

4) Upset at the game, for continually putting me in this position

5) Way upset at the deck, for coughing up that card that just flushed my hand down the crapper.

But it never occurs to me to get upset at the winning player (or the dealer) for being the recipient of that luck. It's like getting upset at the granny who buys a massively -EV lottery ticket and just happens to win.

WHich is not to say that I never get upset at other players. Typically, I will when the other player's being a jerk (on his own merits), or when I won, but it was a stressful hand because he was raising far more than his hand would warrant (bluffing, perhaps). Then, I'm likely to spurt out "Well, what was all that raising about???... Not that I mind."

I take my winnings, make my notes on the player and move on.