SSH question re: overcards & counting outs

[Beavis68]

That could be to cancel out the chance of someone holding something like K-10 or A-10.

[BugsBunny]

or JQ

[jedi]

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Why only 1.5 outs to each overcard?

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I believe that Ed's way of counting "outs" includes the chance that these outs aren't good. You multiply your outs by the chance that your opponent holds a combination that renders that particular out useless.

[MicroBob]

correct....if you're outs aren't the nuts that they aren't FULL outs.
you are taking the fact that your outs might not be good and factoring that in ahead of time. then you take the number you are left with and compare that with the pot-odds.


i previously did it 'the other way' also.
counting ALL your outs as full-outs....then comparing it to the pot-odds...and THEN adjusting for the fact that my outs might not be clean (especially if the decision appears to be borderline).

it seems that taking each of your 'maybe-outs' down a notch BEFORE the fact would be a more accurate way of assessing the situation.


i KNOW i have a tendency to sometimes think i have more outs than i really do just because i'm going too fast and not fully considering some obvious stuff.
then...one of my outs hits and i'm momentarily happy...and then i look again and think 'goodness, what a scary board...i bet i'm beat here.'
so this approach will DEFINITELY work better for me.


btw....i haven't gotten that far into the book yet....but it seems logical based on what i have read so far.