Overpair on the flop... and I fold....

[Alobar]

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Alright, new situation. Say I three bet and its capped behind me. The turn came up A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Its bet and raised in front of me. Now do I fold?

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Now I'd say its an easy fold.

[bernie]

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The fact that the CO capped with 88 PF I think goes to show why this was a bad fold.

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No it isn't. How about the UTG not slowing down a bit? This is only 1 hand that we're seeing by the CO so it's tough to jump to a LAG tag based on one hand.

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I know you know this already, but I still think its worth mentioning. If playing by your "gut feeling" was +EV people would be beating the craps and roulette tables and Vegas would be a truck stop in the middle of the desert

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This isn't a pit game. There is alot of 'feel' you can have on a cardtable. Much comes from experience with the opponents you're against. I had a post in mid stakes where i avoided a turn c/r with rockets because i 'felt' the guy had flopped a set. Which he did.

Online it's tougher to get this feel. I think it can be accomplished to some degree by playing no more than 2 tables. 1 table is very do-able as your paying attention more instead of divided attention. Granted, it takes alot of time to develop and act on this feel. To trust your read enough to act on it. But sometimes you listen to that voice.

Poker is more than just playing ABC and the odds. It's not blackjack.

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[bernie]

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you are most assuredly ahead of the BB,

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Why? The only chance he's had to really act, other than calling 3 cold preflop w/o the possibility of raising he's bet out into a raiser, 3bettor and capper. You can't say he's weak based on that.

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there are lots of hands UTG is raising here that you are way ahead of,

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Based on what? No reads were given.

The only reason i could see for playing on is if this table had a prior history of overaggressive play. No reads were given, not even the table texture, which is detrimental to any analysis. This hand is also going to showdown, most likely, so calling for the info on their play isn't a reason to go on.

There's also a big difference between folding QQ and KK here. I do agree though that if im playing, im raising the flop.

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[MoreWineII]

I dont think anybody disputes that some plays are read-dependent.

Having said that, I still think it's a bad fold on the flop.

[tolbiny]

but it's not very often that you are going to have overpair QQ on a crummy flop and go against AA *and* a set.

it doesnt matter if hes only up against one, and not both-

[bernie]

Given the action on the flop, if you raised (which i likely would've done on an unknown table), it'd have been capped behind you. The A shows, now it would be a bet to you from someone who hasn't slowed down a bit. A CO who hasn't slowed down so it's going to be jacked behind you. This is where i'd get off the ride.

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[MoreWineII]

I should have added an "and/or" in there. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[TRWIII]

Well at least I got someone to agree with me [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]. I didnt think it was that catastophic, although I admit it wasnt the best move. But I do feel a little bit better now. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

TRWIII

[bernie]

If he has a good read of the player, it's a great fold on the flop.

Not saying i'd have folded, i'd likely have 3 bet, but then i wasn't there playing.

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[bernie]

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Results aside, as a routine move this is terrible on partypoker without some big big reads. The question here is whether you want to 3-bet, or just call and see if the BB or CO 3-bet's. I cold call the 2 and see what happens.

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If you 3 bet, you will still have a raise behind you to get info with. No way im just calling this here. Too many benefits with raising not to raise. Far outweighs calling in this spot.

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