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Old 07-16-2004, 07:42 PM
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Default Re: 80-160 AQ suited

What the flop bet accomplishes are more bets on future hands when I flop a monster. It also adds deception when I don't want a call on later streets.

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Old 07-16-2004, 07:43 PM
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To get you to snap the table in two of course. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

See my reply to astroglide.

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Old 07-16-2004, 07:44 PM
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Default Re: 80-160 AQ suited

This line would send me on insta-tilt. So it's got that going for it.
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Old 07-16-2004, 08:08 PM
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Default Re: 80-160 AQ suited

The actual EV cost of your flop bet will never ever be overcome with extra EV you make from other hands.
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Old 07-17-2004, 12:26 AM
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Default Re: 80-160 AQ suited

dude, why not check-raise the turn to see if he'll fold?
You already knew you were calling his river bet (probably)
and there could have been a slight chance he would
fold to your CR. He had a pair did'nt he?
(hole cards I mean) [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 07-17-2004, 12:51 AM
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Default Re: 80-160 AQ suited

Why does everyone hate the flop bet so much here? I'm not sure that it's the greatest play, but didn't I get some advice sometime that if you have a hand with which you're willing to call a bet, you might as well lead out. If you get raised, it's time for some deep thought.

This seems to fit that scenario, so the question is...did I get some bad advice, or did I just misunderstand? I've absorbed a LOT of poker in the past year, and the wires are known to get crossed.
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Old 07-17-2004, 01:15 AM
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Default Re: 80-160 AQ suited

A player calling two cold pre-flop sitting in MP.
Dude may have just failed the Ace-Queen test by
betting out on the flop in his early position.
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Old 07-17-2004, 01:45 AM
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Default Re: 80-160 AQ suited

I forgot about the preflop cold-caller, and that definitely helps me to understand.

I hear a lot about the AQ test, but not sure of an actual description...can anyone explain?
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Old 07-17-2004, 03:28 AM
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Default Re: 80-160 AQ suited

Hi 1800GAMBLER,
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The actual EV cost of your flop bet will never ever be overcome with extra EV you make from other hands.


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This is a ridiculous notion. He loses very little EV here, unless his opponent is going to raise it very often. And because it's an odd bet and he's heads up out of position, his opponent is less likely to raise the flop with a good hand. Obviously, if he checks, his opponent will bet, and he'll call. So no EV is lost when 1 Bet goes in on the flop. And the potential gain from this play is hard to measure; if he gets into a similar situation soon with a powerful hand, it will probably pay off big time. If his opponents all quit next hand and he never sees them again, it'll gain nothing. Tough to say what it's worth.
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Old 07-17-2004, 04:06 AM
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Cuz you don't want him to fold any hand that is behind on the turn.
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